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  • #379746
    Mark Gould 1
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      @markgould1

      Gents,

      Our gearbox is leaking and I have a feeling its leaking at the drain plug. I have a rubber o-ring on it now but that hasn't really helped.

      According to the parts list, this part is called a Dowty Seal I have contacted Myford and they don't have them.

      Does anybody here know where I could order one of these?

      Thanks,

      Mark

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      #13338
      Mark Gould 1
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        @markgould1
        #379749
        Michael Gilligan
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          @michaelgilligan61133

          Mark,

          A quick search on Google revealed many suppliers:

          This is one with good documentation: **LINK**

          Bonded Seals

          MichaelG.

          .

          This is also worth a look: 

          http://www.potterassoc.com/pdf/bonded_seal_information_and_sizing_chart.pdf

          Edited By Michael Gilligan on 08/11/2018 13:12:43

          #379751
          Mark Gould 1
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            @markgould1

            Michael,

            Many thanks, I should have turned to my Google fu before asking! I have asked Myford for the appropriate size and will order 1 or 2 from Barnwell.

            Thanks again,

            Mark

            #379752
            David George 1
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              @davidgeorge1

              Hi Mark you can pick these up from any hydraulic hose repair shop "phone a hose" or similar cost very little. Just take the plug with you and they will give you corect washer.

              David

               

              Edited By David George 1 on 08/11/2018 13:22:13

              #379764
              Mark Gould 1
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                @markgould1

                Ok thanks David thumbs up

                #379772
                Mike Poole
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                  @mikepoole82104

                  **LINK**

                  Goodridge have them.

                  Mike

                  #379777
                  Fergus Stirling
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                    @fergusstirling62506

                    Mine leaks so much i assumed it was supposed to… what size does it take?

                    #379785
                    not done it yet
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                      @notdoneityet

                      If an agri repair shop is nearby, they would likely stock them. Not as cheap as a belt/bearing supplier, perhaps, but might save you more in fuel… I use ABC for most of my bits and pieces like that.

                      #379803
                      Mark Gould 1
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                        @markgould1

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                        The part where the seal sits measures 7/16 so I had to guess a metric equivalent as I am in the Netherlands.

                        #379824
                        Mark Gould 1
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                          @markgould1
                          Posted by Mike Poole on 08/11/2018 15:11:15:

                          **LINK**

                          Goodridge have them.

                          Mike

                          Are you sure that's the correct size, Mike?

                          #379838
                          Dave Halford
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                            @davehalford22513

                            Make a soft alu or annealed copper washer either should stop it.

                            #379854
                            Howard Lewis
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                              @howardlewis46836

                              A Dowty seal (washer) is a steel washer with a double sided elastomeric rubber seal bonded to the I D. Rather like a lip seal on both sides of the washer.

                              Should be available from all sorts of sources. (Agricultural, hydraulic hose suppliers etc)

                              Howard

                              #379858
                              Mike Poole
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                                @mikepoole82104
                                Posted by Mark Gould 1 on 08/11/2018 19:52:53:

                                Posted by Mike Poole on 08/11/2018 15:11:15:

                                **LINK**

                                Goodridge have them.

                                Mike

                                Are you sure that's the correct size, Mike?

                                There is a dropdown box on the link to select the size required.

                                Mike

                                #379874
                                Hopper
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                                  @hopper

                                  Copper or aluminium sump plug washer from your local car parts shop will do the job.

                                  #379895
                                  Flywheel
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                                    @flywheel

                                    Mark, are you sure it is leaking from the drain plug? I had a leak on my gearbox which came from the hidden captive screw which is inside the box, this hidden screw has a rubber washer between the box and the lathe bed and that was where my leak came from, looking at the front of the g/box at the bottom left hand side there is a screw plug which  has to be removed to let you get to the hidden screw, but sadly the g/box has to be removed to replace the rubber washer, on Myfords drawing of the g/box the drawing numbers of the parts are 136, 137 and 138 (hope this is of some help)

                                    Peter

                                    Edited By Flywheel on 09/11/2018 08:57:17

                                    #379911
                                    Mark Gould 1
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                                      @markgould1

                                      Peter,

                                      No, I am not sure and that is also a possibility, many thanks! As a precaution I have ordered 5 of those rubber 0-rings (BS / USA size 11 which is a 7.65mm ID, a 11.21mm OD and has a material thickness of 1.78mm). I am going to try and seat the washer without removing the 'box

                                      #379966
                                      Brian Wood
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                                        @brianwood45127

                                        Mark,

                                        It is a lot of work to take the gearbox off to fit a pesky new 'o' ring in such an awkward position.

                                        From the Myford gearbox drawing, screw # 136 is said to be captive and looks to be waisted down the length below the head to the thread. It also has a 1/4 inch spring washer to help lock it in place

                                        Two possibilities occur to me

                                        • The bolt is loose enough for oil to escape
                                        • You can unscrew it, remove the spring washer and fit a plain washer below the head with a rubber seal cut from a thick tap washer below it as a good fit on the bolt shank and close the leak off from the inside

                                        You might save a lot of time and refitting nausea by trying those suggestions.

                                        Regards

                                        Brian

                                        #380012
                                        Mark Gould 1
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                                          @markgould1

                                          Brian, good idea. I was under the impression that the o-ring fit on the inside of the ‘box. The drawing shows otherwise as I see now. Bugger,

                                          I will try your suggestion. I ordered the o-rings anyway so will try and wangle a solution using them.

                                          Thanks again,

                                          Mark

                                          #380058
                                          Brian Wood
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                                            @brianwood45127

                                            Hello Mark,

                                            I suggested a thick neoprene washer in particular as that will have better resilience and gap filling properties than an 'o' ring in a open situation between a washer and the gearbox housing inner surface. It may not even be machined at that point as the sealing is intended to be done by the 'o' ring sandwiched between the outer of the gearbox and what was once the mounting face for the leadscrew bracket.

                                            The spring washer locking the bolt on the inside may also have left a rough surface to seal against, another challenge for an 'o' ring to try and overcome and a further good reason for something more rugged

                                            This is just the approach I would try in your situation

                                            Regards

                                            Brian

                                            #380086
                                            Mark Gould 1
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                                              @markgould1

                                              Brian,

                                              Understood. I’ll give that a try and report back. Thanks,

                                              Mark

                                              #390258
                                              Fergus Stirling
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                                                @fergusstirling62506
                                                Posted by Mark Gould 1 on 10/11/2018 15:10:05:

                                                Brian,

                                                Understood. I’ll give that a try and report back. Thanks,

                                                Mark

                                                Did you find a suitable washer?

                                                #390261
                                                Mark Rand
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                                                  @markrand96270

                                                  The referenced seals are known as 'Dowty washers' because they were invented by (who else?) Dowty!

                                                  #395340
                                                  Michael O’Connor
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                                                    @michaeloconnor78257

                                                    Hello Mark,

                                                    I had a similar problem with the QCGB of my Myford S7. The sealing washers on the QCGB drain plug and the cover for the lower mounting screw on my lathe were neoprene. I noticed the part number and description in the Myford manual called out Dowty washers. After finding out what they were and sourcing them from the UK (I am in the USA) I replaced them. However, it still leaked. I put a pan under the gear box and was fairly confident the leak was coming from there because I had to constantly top it off. Kind of hard to isolate an oil leak on the Myford because of the total loss oil system. Also was second guessing myself on wether I installed the o-rings properly between the QCGB and the bed on assembly when I originally moved the lathe.

                                                    ​​This is the pan I used.

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                                                    When the Dowty washers arrived, I drained the QCGB and by chance looked at the sealing surface of the drain plug with a mirror and flashlight. Found a low spot that appeared to be galling from the spot facing when it was machined.

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                                                    I removed the QCGB, cleaned it with mineral spirits to remove all traces of oil, especially in the threads for the drain plug. Packed the threads with cotton balls and carefully draw filed the spotface flat. Carefully removed the packing in the threads and cleaned everything again.

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                                                    Reassembled everything again with new Dowty washers. After several months of monitoring, am pleased to report that the QCGB is no longer leaking.

                                                    Hope this may help someone else who is frustrated by their Myford QCGB leaking.

                                                    Kind regards,

                                                    Mike

                                                    #395356
                                                    Baz
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                                                      @baz89810

                                                      Mike, is that a 5C collet chuck on the Myford? If so could I enquire where you purchased it from as I have a box of collets and no chuck and have been told that a collet chuck is too heavy for a myford

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