dural

[Mike WainwrightParticipant @mikewainwright87512]

what material is it

[Mike WainwrightParticipant @mikewainwright87512]

I have been looking at the original series for the Mastiff engine and he uses some Dural for the valve seats and con rods. Is it 2014 aluminium or something else

Thanks

Mike

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

2014 will do which is the old HE15, its what I use for conrods

[Mike WainwrightParticipant @mikewainwright87512]

Jason

Thanks for your reply.

Would you use it for the valve seats as well or would you use brass or phos bronze for the valve seats

Mike

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

Dural was very comon as sheet but it is contains copper to provide the hardness and that promotes corrosion.

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

I've never made anything with Ali valve seats always bronze in an ali head, or straight onto an iron head. Not to say it can't be done though

[mickParticipant @mick65121]

Dural is HE30 by any other name, this I was told by a non-ferrous sales man back in the eighties. The name Dural comes from around the second war when it was a new, strong and exciting alloy, which today is common place.

[Ian S CParticipant @iansc]

Dural is older than you think, it wasdeveloped by the German Alfred Wilm in 1903, in 1916 Junkers started using it in aircraft, culmanating in the Junkers D1 low wing all metal dural fighter aircraft in 1918. To prevent corrosion Alclad was developed in 1927, and first used in a US airship.

Ian S C

[John McNamaraParticipant @johnmcnamara74883]

When I was a kid it was called Duralium

Wiki to the rescue!

**LINK**

Regards
John

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Posted by mick on 14/06/2015 17:08:29:

Dural is HE30 by any other name, this I was told by a non-ferrous sales man back in the eighties. The name Dural comes from around the second war when it was a new, strong and exciting alloy, which today is common place.

Interesting Mick, I certainly would not make a conrod out of HE30 (6082) as I said earlier Dural is copper bearing which puts it into the 2000 series alloys so 2014 which is the old HE15 is what most people use.

"Duralumin (also called duraluminum, duralum, duraluminium, duralium or dural) is the trade name of one of the earliest types of age-hardenable aluminium alloys. Its use as a trade name is obsolete, and today the term is mainly used to describe aluminium-copper alloys, designated as the '2000' series by the International Alloy Designation System (IADS)."

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by mick on 14/06/2015 17:08:29:

Dural is HE30 by any other name, this I was told by a non-ferrous sales man …

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He was fibbing [which is not an uncommon occurrence]

MichaelG.

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

In the 80s we had DuranDuranumin.

Anyone who fancies writing an article for MEW on commonly encountered non-ferrous alloys and their uses, drop me an email.

Neil

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[richardandtracyParticipant @richardandtracy]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 15/06/2015 20:24:11:

In the 80s we had DuranDuranumin.

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The trouble was that in the rain its makeup ran and looked horrible, and it sounded very off key.

Regards,

Richard.

[Bob RodgersonParticipant @bobrodgerson97362]

Mike,

I have built a few engines with valve seats machined directly into the cylinder head in HE 30 alloy or HE15. In a small capacity engine, as far as I know, the heat transfer is such that the metal stays cooler than it would in a larger engine, certainly most of the commercial four stroke glow engines running on methanol fuels seat the valves directly into the alloy head.

If you are running on petrol the temperature will be slightly higher but probably still won't be high enough to cause any damage to the seat.

If you are concerned, you could always make the valve seat and guide housing one assembly in stainless steel with a bronze valve guide. I have done this on engines over 40 cc per cylinder and they have performed well.

Bob

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