1/2” x 25 UNS

1/2” x 25 UNS

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    Bill Phinn
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      @billphinn90025

      Does anyone have to sell, or know where I can get (at not too outrageous a sum), a tap and die in the size stated?

      I’ve tried all the obvious places, and the best I’ve come up with is a one-off HSS die made from scratch for approx £500, or a CS die minimum of 10 off from a Chinese seller for £120 per 10. Not even inquired about taps.

      The thread in question is to be found on the commonly encountered propane superheating nozzles H1-H5 and on the corresponding heating necks and mixer designed to take them.

      #848391
      Andrew Crow
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        @andrewcrow91475

        Hi Bill, sorry I don’t know where you could buy taps and dies from but you could make some.

        Taps are fairly straightforward but for dies you could try the method we used many years ago  called prong dies, see the photo below probably explains better than I can, the ring is for slipping over the die for adjusting.20260516_090230

        This one was for 1/2 Bscycle.

        Andy.

        #848392
        JasonB
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          @jasonb

          If you are going to make taps and dies then the first question has to be can the actual parts be thread cut? As that would be likely be easier than making taps & dies.

          #848393
          noel shelley
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            @noelshelley55608

            Try Tracy tools down in Devon, not listed size but worth a call. Noel.

            #848415
            Charles Lamont
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              @charleslamont71117

              I like that prong die. While I frequently screwcut threads above BA sizes, that is an idea to remember for the exceptional awkward case.

              #848416
              peak4
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                @peak4

                CR Tools in Sheffield might be worth a try; as well as taking the old Tap & Die Co. stock, which isn’t all on their web site, they also manufacture.

                Sheffield Cutting Tools Home Page

                Do you know anyone in the US/Canada?

                See Page 13
                https://taylortool.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/taylortool_catalogue.pdf

                Bill

                #848417
                Andrew Crow
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                  @andrewcrow91475
                  On JasonB Said:

                  If you are going to make taps and dies then the first question has to be can the actual parts be thread cut? As that would be likely be easier than making t

                  aps & dies.

                  I must agree, I would always prefer to cut threads where I can, but sometimes it’s difficult to hold the part in question.

                  Andy.

                  #848441
                  Bill Phinn
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                    @billphinn90025

                    Thanks a lot for the replies.

                    Tracy Tools were very obliging but can’t supply them unless they get a quote to have them made specially, which they said would be a very high price. They weren’t wrong. I went direct to a UK-based maker myself, which is where I got the £500 quote I’ve already mentioned.

                    I looked on CR Tools site and they don’t have it. They may be able to make or have made what I want but presumably they operate under the same economic constraints as any UK company and so are unlikely to be able to significantly better what I’ve met with so far. I will send them an inquiry though.

                    I’m afraid I’ve no idea how I might make a prong die.

                    Single point threading is certainly a possible alternative (even if less convenient), but my lathe doesn’t list 25 tpi as an achievable pitch, so presumably I’d have to obtain different gearing from what I have. This sort of situation certainly makes ELS lathes seem more and more attractive.

                    #848459
                    JasonB
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                      @jasonb

                      If the thread is not particularly long and just to hold a nozzle, then you might get away with a slack 1mm pitch thread as 25 tip is 1.016mm pitch

                      #848460
                      Bill Phinn
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                        @billphinn90025

                        I’ve attached a couple of pics showing a thread gauge in position.

                        IMG_1968IMG_1967

                        #848463
                        mark costello 1
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                          @markcostello1

                          Victor Machinery in USA might help,Don’t know about shipping etc. Satisfied buyer.

                          #848468
                          Bill Phinn
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                            @billphinn90025

                            Thanks. I’ll have a look at the Victor site.

                            I’ve looked at the CR Tools website again. They don’t appear to deal in taps or dies at all.

                             

                            #848470
                            Pete
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                              @pete41194

                              I got curious and checked a few of the largest tool suppliers here in North America since they all offer a series of what are called non standard but still stocked and available taps and dies. Unfortunately 1/2″ X 25 tpi doesn’t seem to be one of them anywhere I’ve searched.

                              #848477
                              Bill Phinn
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                                @billphinn90025

                                Pete, it seems to be listed as a stock item in Canada-based Taylor Tool’s catalogue, unless I’ve understood things wrongly.

                                #848491
                                Pete
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                                  @pete41194

                                  It appears your correct Bill, thanks for the correction.

                                  #848513
                                  Nimble
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                                    @nimble

                                    Hi Bill,

                                    An article on how to make a die nut was published in a New Zealand Magazine called “The Shed” in the October/November issue 2012. By Bill Hulme. I do not think that back issues for this period are available.

                                    I do  have scans of the relevant pages.

                                    Nimble Neil.

                                    #848516
                                    Keith Long
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                                      @keithlong89920

                                      Bill, looking at the picture of the 25tpi gauge and the thread I’m not entirely convinced that the thread is 25tpi – it may be the lighting in the photo or a trick of perspective.

                                      I believe that there is a “relatively common thread of 1/2″ od x 24tpi used on pipe fittings for 5/16 ” od pipe, which would seem a possible candidate.

                                      Please check the thread with a 24tpi gauge before you go ordering any taps or dies.

                                      Keith

                                      #848564
                                      Nigel Graham 2
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                                        @nigelgraham2

                                        Or the other way? 26tpi? I.e., Brass Thread?

                                        If this is a commonly used thread it’s difficult to see why taps and dies don’t exist.

                                        #848571
                                        Tony Pratt 1
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                                          @tonypratt1
                                          On Keith Long Said:

                                          Bill, looking at the picture of the 25tpi gauge and the thread I’m not entirely convinced that the thread is 25tpi – it may be the lighting in the photo or a trick of perspective.

                                          I believe that there is a “relatively common thread of 1/2″ od x 24tpi used on pipe fittings for 5/16 ” od pipe, which would seem a possible candidate.

                                          Please check the thread with a 24tpi gauge before you go ordering any taps or dies.

                                          Keith

                                          I agree it’s not 25 TPI, definitely try 24 TPI.

                                          Tony

                                          #848577
                                          JasonB
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                                            @jasonb

                                            They seem to be sold as having 25tpi thread. Harris are a big US supplier of silver solders etc

                                             

                                            Harris 2290-2H Heating Nozzle

                                             

                                            https://www.harrisproductsgroup.com/en/Products/hpg-na-model2290

                                            #848582
                                            Tony Pratt 1
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                                              @tonypratt1

                                              I can’t say that the one pictured is 25 TPI, the alignment is way out on the LH edge unless poorly manufactured?

                                              Tony

                                              #848585
                                              duncan webster 1
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                                                @duncanwebster1

                                                Ir looks like 25 tpi to me. Lots of fittings made for fuel gas have odd threads to make it difficult for people to bodge.

                                                #848589
                                                Julie Ann
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                                                  @julieann

                                                  I agree with Keith, the pitch doesn’t look like 25 tpi. It is slightly coarser than the 25 tpi gauge, by a bit less than half a pitch over ten threads. Which is exactly what the numbers say if one assumes the thread is 24 tpi; a 16 thou difference between 24 tpi and 25 tpi over ten pitches.

                                                  While UNS threads are specials there are still standards and 1/2″-24 is listed under tables of UNS threads. As far as I am aware no Unified thread has a 25 tpi thread. My Unified thread pitch gauges don’t include 25 tpi. Nor does my industrial lathe cover 25 tpi, although it does cover 23, 24, 26 and 27.

                                                  The link provided by Jason has an M after the thread definition, so I wouldn’t be surprised if that meant metric and the thread is actually 1mm pitch.

                                                  Irrespective of the thread specification I would assume that the external threads are rolled rather than cut. So dies are unlikely to be available.

                                                  Julie

                                                  #848599
                                                  Bill Phinn
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                                                    @billphinn90025

                                                    Thank you for the further replies.

                                                    Special thanks to Jason for digging where I too had dug for a sanity check.

                                                    It’d be great if it wasn’t 25 tpi, but I’m afraid it’s 25 all day, as they say.

                                                    Below is a photo showing a 24 thread gauge on one of two stainless neck tubes I have, and several screenshots corroborating what Jason’s screenshot/ link has already said.

                                                    Nigel, 25 tpi taps and dies do exist; Bill (Peak4) demonstrated that early on.

                                                    The m just means male, I believe, in most of the cases illustrated, at any rate. It looks like Inverter Fusion have included the M incorrectly in their thread designation.

                                                    Neil, I’d be interested to see the scans if you’re willing to pm me them. Thanks.

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                                                    #848606
                                                    JasonB
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                                                      @jasonb

                                                      I think some people must be looking at the 1mm (25.4tpi) gauge as that looks off to me and as there are a lot of turns won’t work. The 25tpi looks very good to me. You can see each shiny crest of the thread lines up perfic with the gauge valley bottoms.

                                                      bloody good

                                                       

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