Small (ish) horizontal mill identification “Howdle”

Small (ish) horizontal mill identification “Howdle”

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  • #870502
    Rainbows
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      @rainbows

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      I’m currently considering a small milling machine I’ve spotted on facebook. Seller says no model number and the makers name of Howdle. I can just spy on the side “[?]MOLE” “HO[?] LMS?” cast on the side of the body. It looks to take ISO taper tooling, has a nice collection of accessories, pleasingly sized, etc etc so I’m considering the long journey to atleast inspect it. But the internet reveals nothing at all about a Howdles miller. Does anyone recognise it? Figure Howdle might have been a merchant or reseller that has stuck their own badge on the casting. Google image search refuses to believe it isn’t a Jones & Shipman grinder.

      #870506
      Dave Halford
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        @davehalford22513

        Wonder what the chain block is used for ??? :O)

        If you buy it get the seller to include it, there’s nothing light on that mill.

        #870518
        DC31k
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          @dc31k

          What are we actually seeing in the picture?

          There is a X-axis handwheel; there is a Y-axis handwheel; there is a Z-axis handwheel.

          What is the thing above the Y-axis handwheel and below-to-the-right of the vice?

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          Can the seller tell you anything about the dial graduations? Or if the bolts on the machine are imperial or metric? That might or might not point to European origin.

          The double round overarms might also narrow it down.

          #870522
          John MC
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            @johnmc39344

            i’m struggling to see whats going on there.  Is the smaller of the two vices sat on the Y axis slide?  It sort of looks a bit like an AI generated image.

            #870527
            Bazyle
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              @bazyle

              Twin bar may be Kearney & Trecker.

              #870531
              Dave Halford
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                @davehalford22513
                On John MC Said:

                i’m struggling to see whats going on there.  Is the smaller of the two vices sat on the Y axis slide?  It sort of looks a bit like an AI generated image.

                It’s a smaller vice waiting to fall on someone’s foot

                #870534
                duncan webster 1
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                  @duncanwebster1

                  Horizontal is great for shifting a lot of metal, but nowhere near as flexible as a vertical.

                  Try searching in https://lathes.co.uk/#section-millers

                  #870538
                  Baz
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                    @baz89810

                    Looks like it may have a vertical head with it but cannot see any horizontal arbor or outer arbor support. Is it single or three phase electrics, I would imagine by the size of it most likely three phase.

                    #870541
                    peak4
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                      @peak4

                      There seems to be a horizontal head which may also swivel, as well as the outer support & arbor.
                      I can’t find many mills with the round twin overarm, other than Schaublin and Gaston Dufour, but they they seem to have major design differences as well as the size.

                      Bill

                      #870545
                      not done it yet
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                        @notdoneityet

                        Looks like a very good price – just for those vises, and with the power feed plus the cutters, etc.  I would be looking at it if I didn’t already have the Centec 2B.

                        #870552
                        Nigel Graham 2
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                          @nigelgraham2

                          That power feed doesn’t look original and I wonder about the torque of such a mass stuck out of the end of the table.

                          The vice looks so high it will seriously limit the height of the workpiece, especially under the vertical head.

                          The name does seem embossed on the casting, so might not be a “badge manufacturer” machine. Whoever made it, it’s certainly very heavily made for its size.

                           

                          Dave –

                          Judging by the sling wrapped around the machine, the chain block might have been used to move it. The cylinder-head suggests the workshop is used for something automotive so the block would be a natural tool there.

                           

                          Duncan –

                          I’ve just had a look. No “Howdle” name.

                           

                          By the way if anyone thinks this site has been spoilt by Google plastering it with ads, what it does to lathes.co is blatant vandalism.

                          #870556
                          DC31k
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                            On peak4 Said:

                            I can’t find many mills with the round twin overarm

                            Milwaukee/Kearney & Trecker and Brown & Sharpe made machines with overarms like this, but I am not sure if they made one on a stand (as opposed to floor-standing).

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                            Google only puts ads. where the site owner, who controls the webpage, allows it to. More advert slots, more income for the owner. With more and more manuals appearing online for free, a business which supplies photocopied versions has likely seen a downturn in revenue.

                            #870559
                            Rainbows
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                              @rainbows

                              Alas I hesitated for a moment, over mere things like “having to partially demolish the workshop wall to fit it through the door” and now it’s spoken for (pending actual collection, as anyone who’s tried to sell on facebook knows thats easier said than done).

                              Having checked on the phone, which gives better resolution pictures for whatever reason the text appears to be MOLE / NOLE / HOLE – HO*LMS / HO*DLES / HO*DMS. Possibly the seller misread. Maybe AI upscaling is making up text.

                              £400 for a capable looking, SUDs plumbed, 4×2 (geared?) spindle speed small mill – with vertical head, arbour and overarm support and tooling…. in hindsight was a work the details out later sort of situation. Wonder if one of you lot got it :^) share your findings with the class if so.

                              Allegedly only 250kg but I reckon it must weigh more. From a custom car garage so likely occasional odd jobs, full time storage shelf sort of machine.

                              As others have I looked at B&S, K&T, the assorted German cousins based on the dual round overarms. Either too small or the wrong sort of set up having an XY table. My money is on some swiss or german make

                               

                               

                               

                               

                               

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