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    ian Holdsworth
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      @ianholdsworth27760

      I have been watching a series of vids by Mr Crispin on Youtube ( What an engineer!)

      He makes a B1 set of cylinders out of BMS with cast Iron liners. It is piston valve.

      It is very impressive the way he works.  And much cheaper than a casting

      I am building a Princess of Wales and wonder if his methods are tranferable. The main porblem, as I see it is that POW has slide valves. Is it possible to ‘let in’ a panel of Cast Iron or wiil the BMS flat surface be satisfactory.

      Also what about rust problems in the steam passages etc. Is this a concern?

      Thanks for the advice

      #833649
      JasonB
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        @jasonb

        I have seen slice sof Cast iron let into port faces, mostly to correct poor cores or badly machined ports so should be fine for a new build.

        As for rust, your iron casting is just as likely to rust as any steel but for either good running practice will leave a coat of steam oil on the surface between runs.

        I do it a lot for IC engines either an iron liner in a fabricated outer as it is easier to join steel than iron. Or Iron in iron to form a water jacket that is not practical to cast with cores on a small scale.

        #833658
        Nigel Graham 2
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          @nigelgraham2

          It’s also worth if possible protecting the engine in a long lay-up by squirting lots of thin lubricating oil into the innards and turning it over a few times by hand, every now and then. (On a rolling-road or back and forth on a short length of rails.) Keep a tray under the loco to catch the oil dripping from the drain-cocks.

          You mighy need do so via the lubricator, rotating it by hand to pump the oil in.

          #833668
          ian Holdsworth
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            @ianholdsworth27760

            Jason B.

            Should the cast Iron be silver soldered in or is lock-tite enouggh?

            #833673
            bernard towers
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              @bernardtowers37738

              You could screw it down in the corners

              #833675
              JasonB
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                @jasonb

                The one that springs to mind was on a 4″ compound traction engine, the guy set it in with araldite and I think a couple of small CSK brass screws in the corners.

                The other way would be to make the plate a little larger than the inside of the valve chest so the chest would hold the plate from being able to come out of the  portface.

                #833677
                JasonB
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                  @jasonb

                  Found the old pictures

                  kev 1

                  kev 2

                  #833682
                  half whit
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                    @half-whit

                    Hi Ian,

                    I made a small alloy engine with cast iron inserts in the cylinder and the cross head guide.

                    Also a cast iron port face jb welded and screwed in place. The engine runs really well20250417_12173020250503_101852geoff

                    #833691
                    bernard towers
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                      @bernardtowers37738

                      Nice job that, Geoff

                      #833774
                      Dave Wootton
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                        @davewootton

                        I’ve known of a Simplex and a Springbok with mild steel cylinders, no liners. The Simplex ran for at least 25 years until the builders death and subsequent sale, the cylinder blocks were cut from solid bar and the steam chest a TIG welded fabrication. The Springbok had Fabricated TIG welded and brazed cylinder blocks and again ran for a few years to my knowledge. I believe the pistons were CI and the builder always used commercial IC engine piston rings, for a moped and a Honda cement mixer engine respectively. His engines were very heavily used, but well cared for and I can’t recall any problems with rusting. I do remember someone remarking that his mild steel cylinders wouldn’t last ten minutes, his reply was ” well they are fifteen years old already!”. As far as I can recall the only castings he ever used were for the wheels of his engines, the rest were either fabricated or cut from MS bar stock.

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