Problems with an Axminster metal working lathe

Problems with an Axminster metal working lathe

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  • #816172
    Byron Williams
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      @byronwilliams39920

      Hi all

      i am a new member and I have an problem? I am a member of the men’s shed ( a men’s mental health charity)  who help with all types of repair projects helping the local community ( it is a national charity please look for us )
      we have an Axminster metal working lathe ( type not known ) a bit like a Colchester student ( that size )

      it has been working fine until the auto cross slide hit the stop and broke the safety pin ( which is supposed to brake to prevent damage which it does ) on replacing the pin the finish on the work piece is uneven on auto? to say the least, the finish is very consistent much like a large thread? This is on both forward and back, left to right I have checked for any broken parts misaligned adjustments, the gibs are nice and tight but free, no free play in the main spindle or the tool holder or slide.  I have now run out of ideas hence the request for help

      Any ideas would be gratfull

      kind regards

      Byron (Devon)

       

      #816176
      cogdobbler
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        @cogdobbler

        Some pics of the problem would be helpful.

        To clarify, is it the cross-feed when facing a job that is the problem? If so, you may have broken a tooth off a gear in the drive train. Or you may have bent the feed screw. Dismantle and careful inspection would be next step.

        Do make sure the feed settings on the gearbox have not been moved to a coarse setting first.

        #816190
        Bazyle
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          @bazyle

          This sort of thing has been seen before. The feed works with a small pinion rotating against the rack on the underside of the bed, When the lathe crashes like this the shaft the pinion is on can be bent causing uneven meshing which shows up on the finish.  You can confirm this by relating the patterns on the workpiece to the rack and pinion.
          If you can get along to the Tuesday evening sessions at EDMES in St Katherine’s Priory you can discuss it with Ces, the club secretary and workshop manager.

          #816203
          John Haine
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            @johnhaine32865

            As you’re in Devon and a charity it could be worth giving Axminster a call – certainly they used to have some in-house engineering expertise.

            And they have a community forum:

            https://community.axminstertools.com/

             

            #816218
            SillyOldDuffer
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              @sillyoldduffer

              I encountered a similar problem after crashing my lathe.  A shear pin broke such that the ragged end still provided enough grip to turn the lead-screw.  All behaved normally until the lathe took a moderately deep cut, causing the ragged end to slip like a clutch, spoiling the finish.

              The crash may have broken more than one shear pin, so add that to the checklist.  On my lathe holding the saddle whilst power traversing revealed the lead-screw was slipping.   There may be more than one shear pin.

              As crashes can be violent, the shear pin may not have protected everything.  See cogdobbler and Bazyle’s posts, but look at anything in the drive train that might snap, bend or move.  Moving examples include the motor twisting on it’s mountings, the gear selector mechanism being shoved sideways, deranged clutch, and gears moving on the banjo etc.

              Some photos of the lathe would help identify it, and we might have a member who knows all about them!  I’m generalising.

              Dave

              #816264
              cogdobbler
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                @cogdobbler

                One thing you can do to help avoid a repeat problem is drill a large hole up the middle of the so-called shear pin to weaken it. Hopefully then it will shear before other parts are damaged next time.

                Many so-called shear pins are really just drive pins used to lock one rotating part to another. They may or may not be the weakest link in the drive train, as the OP seems to have found out.

                Sometimes the pin is made of brass as an actual shear pin that is deliberately weaker than other steel parts . But often not.

                #816268
                Fulmen
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                  @fulmen
                  On Bazyle Said:

                  the shaft the pinion is on can be bent causing uneven meshing which shows up on the finish.

                  I’ve had this happen myself. The problem was probably that the coupler had seized up, overloading the pinion shaft before the pin could shear.

                  #816312
                  Howard Lewis
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                    @howardlewis46836

                    When I had a crash (Watching the cut, not where the saddle was going) the shear pins were rollpins (!), so did not shear, but the shaft with integral pinion meshing with the rack was bent.

                    So made a new shaft and cut a new gear (That was when I found errors in the division chart for my HV6!), and had to make a spacer to place the shaft and gear in the correct position.

                    Resetting the position of the worm housing on the Saddle, in position, was nightmare. Needed an Allen key with a very short leg, and of course, could not see where I was working, given the minimal clearance between lathe bed and Saddle.

                    Something has coarsened the your feed, so look out for bent shafts, or gears with one or more teeth missing.

                    Knowing the model, and looking at the exploded diagrams, will be helpful.

                    Hope that it is easily and cheaply repairable

                    Howard

                    #831920
                    Byron Williams
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                      @byronwilliams39920

                      Hi guys

                      Sorry for not replying sooner but other issues have occurred

                      please find attached a photo of the issue on our Axminster metal working lathe

                      i have checked all the items you guys have informed to give it a go

                      still got the same issue perhaps not as bad, but still not right⚒️

                      please any further thoughts ?????? Would be greatly appreciated

                      best regards

                      byron

                      exeter

                       

                       

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                      #831931
                      Bazyle
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                        @bazyle

                        Byron, Can you let us know the model number of the lathe; it makes a difference whether it has just a leadscrew along the front or 3 rods (two plus leadscrew). The pattern looks about 1/8 spacing but you need to measure it accurately over several cycles and compare that to the pitch of the rack. Also what were the settings for the feed when you made this part.
                        It may be that the rack has been pushed up so the meshing is poor. Try getting a bit of paper in between the gear and rack and if so whether more layer will fit. This will indicate how poor a fit it is.

                        You could also do a longer test piece, like 4 inch, with just one light cut to show if it has a pattern. If the feed gear shaft is bent as mentioned by Sillyoldduffer above you will see a pattern corresponding to one turn of the gear – about 15 to 20 rack teeth.

                        If you can get over to St Katherine’s on an open day (first Sunday of the month) the guys at 73A can introduce you to EDMES experts.

                        #832086
                        larry phelan 1
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                          @larryphelan1

                          Is not the Axminister lathe very similar to the Warco machine ?

                          #832128
                          Howard Lewis
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                            @howardlewis46836

                            An Axminster lathe will probably have been made by SEIG; a WARCO by a different manufacturer, so is likely to be different, in dimensions, if not construction.

                            All that we know is that you have an Axmister lathe with a problem, probably in the drive to the saddle.

                            The picture does not show a “brass” component with a problem with the facing feed, but with the sliding drive; along the bed. A crash when facing, may well have damaged the drive to the saddle rather than to the Cross Feed.

                            A power Cross Feed suggests one of the more sophisticated models. If you want help, you must give as much detail as possible.

                            The problem MIGHT be caused by by a feed rate that varies because of a bent shaft.

                            Knowing the Model Number will make life easier, since the parts list / diagrams in the Operator Manual will show how the Saddle is driven along the lathe bed, rather than relying on guesswork.

                            Even if you do not have the operator manual with this information, some one else may have, and will be able to provide the detailed information that is required to address your problem.

                            Once you have the information, only then can you start to strip the machine in investigate the cause of the problem.

                            It may be possible to press a bent shaft, between Vee blocks, until it is straight; but this might well require lots of care and iterations to get it within 0.0005″ (0.0125 mm) T I R.

                            Possibly, the quickest , and easiest for you, will be be buy and fit new parts; once you have found where the damage is.

                            Afterwards, it will be worth making a shearpin to, replace what is probably a rollpin in the drive to the feedshaft (if it has one) or the leadscrew (Which night drive the Saddle traverse pinion via a key way in the Leadscrew). Make it from brass, (Mine are 5 mm dia with a 2.5 mm hole drilled down the centre, and they are probably a little too strong)

                            Consulting the parts list / diagram will probably simplify working out what the problem is, and how to cure it.

                            Howard

                            #832131
                            JasonB
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                              @jasonb
                              On Howard Lewis Said:

                              An Axminster lathe will probably have been made by SEIG; a WARCO by a different manufacturer, so is likely to be different, in dimensions, if not construction.

                               

                              If as the OP says it is like a Colchester then that is bigger than any of the Sieg machines and will be more like the Warco. Possibly sold as “Runmaster” or they did do some badged as Jet at one time again similar to the larger Warco offerings and quite likely out of the Weiss stable.

                              #832181
                              larry phelan 1
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                                @larryphelan1

                                Jason is correct, they did sell lathes called JET,very similar to the Warco ones.

                                #840657
                                Howard Lewis
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                                  @howardlewis46836

                                  Nothing heard since January!

                                  The ” banding” may be a sign of varying drive speed.

                                  Did the crash damage any pulleys, or move them slightly on the shaft?

                                  How about an update?

                                  Howard

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