Educating me – Work hardened?

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    pgk pgk
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      I hope you guys can be patient with three questions at once..

      I used a piece fo scrap for the alignment bar for pressing in my bushings.

      This came for the local scarppy, was a nominal 1" diameter, slightly pitted with red oxide primer on it. One end clearly had bent and snapped.

      When facing that end with an indexable tool at 1200rpm I found that towards the centre the metal distracted to a 2-3 mm pip with both fine and coaser cuts and each time I had to trim outwards with several fine ciuts to remove it (dead on centre height).

      Turning it down to my 24mm diameter.. a short length cleaned up then measured and the full 1/2mm or so turned off in one to hit the mark. The finish was superb. This wasn't the usual hot roll I get from scrappy.but the bar was certainly hot once turned despite a good coat of cutting oil fuming away.

      The problem came with trying to part it off. I'd slowed to 250rpm for my 2.4mm HSS tool freshly sharpened. it took a lot of pressure to start the cut and the tool stopped cutting about halfway through. Resharpened I couldn't get it to start cutting again to the point that i could see it starting to 'S' from feed pressure. In the end I used a hacksaw and faced that end with carbide.

      I'm just wondering what sort of steel that's likely to be or perhaps it was hardened and then tempered more on the outside?

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      pgk pgk
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        #198867
        Neil Wyatt
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          @neilwyatt

          > The problem came with trying to part it off. I'd slowed to 250rpm for my 2.4mm HSS tool freshly sharpened. it took a lot of pressure to start the cut and the tool stopped cutting about halfway through. Resharpened I couldn't get it to start cutting again to the point that i could see it starting to 'S' from feed pressure.

          Can be caused by many things, but is often a symptom of the parting blade being above centre height and the rubbing gets worse as the diameter decreases until it suddenly stops cutting completely.

          Neil

          #198875
          Fatgadgi
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            @fatgadgi

            Hi Pgk

            Sounds like you did well to get it to the parting stage.

            The good thing about getting material from scrappies is that it can cheap.

            The bad thing is you mostly have no idea what you have.

            Chances are you have a defunct half shaft from a crashed Morris Marina. Tough as old boots, hence the good finish with carbide but a worn HSS parting tool.

            As tempting as it might be financially, I don't do that any more – I put my short hands into my long pockets and buy stuff I know the grade of. Goes against my Northern roots though …….

            Cheers – Will

            #198912
            pgk pgk
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              @pgkpgk17461

              Around here it's more likely to be a chunk off a tractor…

              Most of the steel i get from scrappy is bits from a steel barn company he cleans up for..and that's usually hot rolled plate (or if you want rsj beam ends). It does take some effort to get a good surface finish on the mill but as it's virtually free it's hard to turn down for my beginner pratting about..

              Yes I have bought known stuff for my attempts at 'real' projects.

              #198922
              Russell Eberhardt
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                @russelleberhardt48058

                Yes, I would also suspect the tool height.

                My rather crude aproach is to set the height by eye against the tailstock centre and then take a facing cut. If I get a conical pip the tool is too high. If I get a cylindrical pip it is too low. Adjust accordingly.

                Russell.

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