Hi Matt,

Have look at this link to John "Baggo" Baguley's site – as this problem is known about;

http://www.modeng.johnbaguley.info/locos/25inch/sr044t/sr440.htm

Mark Horowitz in the US had details of a 'Victoria' on his website but this site has now disappeared I'm afraid.

In terms of your 'Rose' – I don't think I've ever seen one in the flesh but a version was described as 'Wirral' in Peter Jones "Building Small Steam Locomotives" . Peter described how he built his version as a "Project in Overview" – effectively building on previous chapters that covered various other areas of small locomotive construction.

Your two engines are very nice small Gauge '3' locomotives and I'm sure you would be very welcome at G3 Society Get-Togethers, assuming you are not already a G3S member or in contact with them.

Regards,

IanT

Hi Matt,

Out of interest, which drawings are you using for Victoria?

I produced a set of CAD drawings which were based on an original set of blueprints by Donaldson and Piper. I've had a quick look and it looks as though there should be plenty of clearance between the axle box and the cylinder block. The flange on the axle box may come close to the cylinder end cover at the top of it's travel though.

I have got a set of original castings for Victoria myself but the build is on the 'roundtuit' list! Steve Eaton built a coal fired version some years ago which has hauled him around the Chesterfield club track. It needed a bit of help starting off but managed to get around without further assistance.

Marc Horowitz also built a Victoria to my CAD drawings. I asked him to let me know if he found any errors or problems but he didn't mention finding anything wrong (unless he didn't bother to tell me)

Re Rose – I have the original pencil drawings by LBSC which were kindy donated to the 2½" Gauge Association by a gentleman in the USA. They are a work of art and really nice to look at. They show that LBSC was much better at drawing than he made out in his articles. I've heard that he used to send some of his drawings to friends as gifts.

John

Having looked into it even further, it seems that although I sent an amended drawing to the person who was in charge of the N25GA drawings at the time, the sheet with the error may not have been replaced with the updated one and so we continued to sell the drawing with the error. I can only apologise to anyone who bought a set of the drawings. The drawings that I sent to Marc Horowitz were the updated ones which is why he never had a problem,

John

Edited By John Baguley on 08/07/2017 20:06:08

Hi Matt,

Yes, I see that I did send you a set of drawings back in May,

On the original sheet 1 the position of the rear cylinder mounting holes was shown as 4-5/8" from the driving axle but this distance should have been 4-3/4". This moves the cylinder mounting holes 1/8" further forward.

I think there have been a few versions of Rose built but I don't have any photos of any of them unfortunately. Is yours the coal fired version or the meths fired?

John