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    Hattie Goodale
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      @hattiegoodale61483

      Please can anyone tell me anything about this boiler? I know nothing and have scoured the internet to no avail. I need to talk to a real person with real knowledge and experience. There is no maker's plate or identifying mark. I feel like it must be quite old as it has some very archaic features, for example the sliding cast iron balls to control the uppermost valve. I have always assumed it's from a steam engine – is this correct? How old might it be? What was its purpose? How did it work? Is it British or perhaps from another country? Who could have made it? And finally how much might I reasonably expect to sell it for? Any and all information would be most gratefully received. Many thanks in advance

      Hattie

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      #1849
      Hattie Goodale
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        @hattiegoodale61483

        I have an antique boiler I know nothing about – appeal for information

        #424049
        Former Member
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          @formermember19781

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          #424160
          Hattie Goodale
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            @hattiegoodale61483

            Ah sorry I forgot, size is roughly 32 inches tall (including chimney), by 10 inches diameter. Thanks for replying.

            Hattie

            #424166
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              @formermember19781

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              #424173
              Clive Brown 1
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                @clivebrown1

                Nicely made, but as a steam producer, I would expect its performance to be poor, only the central flue for heat transfer, unless there are cross tubes in the firebox. I can't see a steam off-take either.  What's it made of?

                I've no real idea, but might it be some type of "novelty" hot -water urn for making tea in the workshop, heated by coal or, less smokey, charcoal?

                This thought was prompted by the generously sized tap by the foundation ring.

                Might be of interest to a collector of mechanical bits and bobs.

                Edited By Clive Brown 1 on 14/08/2019 18:18:58

                Edited By Clive Brown 1 on 14/08/2019 18:21:59

                #424180
                Former Member
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                  @formermember19781

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                  #424184
                  Clive Brown 1
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                    @clivebrown1

                    Bill,

                    Reason for saying there aren't tubes is I can't see any sign of a smokebox tubeplate. Neither is there any access for cleaning assuming its solid fuel The safety-valve passageway would also have to pass through the smokebox, but this could be the case I suppose

                    Boiler could be filled via the safety-valve.

                    #424186
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                      @formermember19781

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                      #424196
                      Pete Rimmer
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                        @peterimmer30576

                        I think that is one of those ones you have to give a good kicking because someone dropped a screwdriver in the safety valve.

                        #424202
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                          @formermember19781

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                          #424207
                          JasonB
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                            @jasonb

                            Could be built along the lines of a Merryweather boiler where you would not see the tubeplate as it is a smaller diameter than the boiler shell. Plenty of cross tube boilers about where you only have a ring of rivits top and bottom sucjh as this

                            Edited By JasonB on 14/08/2019 19:52:10

                            #424228
                            SillyOldDuffer
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                              @sillyoldduffer
                              Posted by Clive Brown 1 on 14/08/2019 18:16:48:

                              Nicely made, but as a steam producer, I would expect its performance to be poor, only the central flue for heat transfer…. I can't see a steam off-take either. …

                              I've no real idea, but might it be some type of "novelty" hot -water urn for making tea in the workshop, heated by coal or, less smokey, charcoal?

                              Good points! Reminded me that steam was, and is, used for many purposes other than powering engines. The lack of a steam outlet suggests to me this is a process steam boiler, perhaps a pressure cooker, more likely an autoclave.

                              Dave

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                              Hattie Goodale
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                                @hattiegoodale61483

                                Dear bill, Clive, Dave, Pete, Jason

                                Thanks for your thoughts. Can't say i understand all of your conversation, but interesting and enlightening nonetheless. The body of the boiler is cast iron about an inch thick. The taps are brass. The top chimney looks like a later addition, as it lifts off to reveal about four inches of pipe with a thread, but the chimney is about an inch wider in diameter than the pipe so it does not screw on, it just sits on top of the tank. I can only post photos here that are already online (on eBay), so I can't show you that. I have added here a photo of the inside, which is completely hollow – I suppose it must be missing maybe a copper water tank? As there is currently nowhere for it to hold water. There is a grate for fuel which comes in two so that it can be lifted out of the door.

                                Thanks again to all for your input, much appreciated.

                                Hattie

                                #424416
                                FMES
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                                  @fmes

                                  I don't think it was for steam, looks similar to the old Geyser hot water boilers – large tea urn??

                                  Regards

                                  #424423
                                  JasonB
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                                    @jasonb

                                    It is not actually 1" think, from the bottom you can see a tell tale line of the inner tube, same around the firehole. If it were solid there would be no need for rivits around the bottom or fire hole. Hattie, this shows a section through a typical boiler, you can see how there are "spacers" between the inner and outer walls creating a space for the water.

                                    boiler section.jpg

                                    It is certainly missing some form of base as you would have needed room for air to get in under the grate. The lack of other holes is odd, the two brass "test cocks" part way up would have been used to gauge the level of the water between the two skins of the boiler, safety valve is obvious. The larger of the two bottom fittings looks like it may have been used to draw off hot water as the handle suggests more frequent use than a blowdown valve that is just used at the end of the day to clean out the boiler.

                                     

                                    Edited By JasonB on 16/08/2019 08:57:38

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                                    Former Member
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                                      @formermember19781

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                                      #424436
                                      not done it yet
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                                        @notdoneityet

                                        I think it is likely a North American continent item. Doesn’t appear to be on epay uk.

                                        #424438
                                        JasonB
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                                          @jasonb

                                          " I have always assumed it's from a steam engine"

                                          Suggests Hattie has had it for some time, and not yet listed it as she is enquiring what price she may expect it to sell for. Obviously if it can be described correctly she will hopefully get a better price which is why we get so many "what is it" questions.

                                          Edited By JasonB on 16/08/2019 08:43:13

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                                          Former Member
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                                            @formermember19781

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                                            Former Member
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                                              @formermember19781

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                                              #424441
                                              JasonB
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                                                @jasonb

                                                Thanks, missed that.

                                                Though under the thread title it says "I have an antique boiler…….."??

                                                Could be an old listing and hattie can't take or upload new photos.

                                                Edited By JasonB on 16/08/2019 08:56:52

                                                #424492
                                                Hattie Goodale
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                                                  @hattiegoodale61483

                                                  Hello all

                                                  Thank you very much indeed for your input. Some very interesting food for thought here. I'm not really super keen to sell this item. My partner was a hoarder of antiques and curio; he passed away recently and I've inherited a huge amount of stuff. I love the stuff – it's all interesting and unique like he was, and if I had the choice I'd keep it all. But I will soon have to move out of the house we shared, so some things just have to go.

                                                  I am in the UK, here is the link to my eBay listing: **LINK**

                                                  Jason, am I right in understanding you believe the outer wall to be hollow, and that that's where the water goes? This is very interesting, had not even occurred to me as a possibility, and will require an edit to my eBay listing which states that it's solid cast iron. I have been scratching my head wondering where the water goes, I thought it must have had an inner tank which has been lost.

                                                  I wonder whether I even have the boiler listed in the right category? I originally listed it under Antiques > Other Antiques (seemed like a handy catch-all/cop-out), but I later moved it to Toys and Games > Steam

                                                  Really appreciate everyone's input. It's so kind of you to put your thinking caps on and offer your thoughts and observations when you don't know me from Adam and I have nothing to offer you in return. You are a lovely friendly and helpful lot and I'm grateful to you

                                                  Hattie

                                                  #424514
                                                  JasonB
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                                                    @jasonb

                                                    Yes deffinately hollow.

                                                    The big plate at the top known as a "manhole" would give access for cleaning and inspection the structure. The smaller one at the bottom under the fire door is known as a "mudhole" and would have been used when cleaning to wash out any sediment (mud)

                                                    What is strange about your boiler is there is no apparent way to fill it as water or steam are drawn off, steam would usually have been taken from near the top so another threaded hole for a steam fitting would be usual.

                                                    Also the fact that most of the heat from the fire burning on the grate would go straight up the chimney, usually there are several more tubes containing water that would increase the heating area, as it is you just rely on the radiant heat from the fire. Alternatively there would be a lot of vertical tubes for the hot gasses to pass through surrounded by water acting a bit like the elements in a kettle.

                                                    Edited By JasonB on 16/08/2019 13:27:53

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