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  • #387229
    Former Member
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      #9455
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        #387238
        Dave Halford
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          @davehalford22513

          Stick a mill on a wheeled tool trolley you can then shove it out of the way when not in use. Avoids the 'I cant mill very much'.

          #387240
          Emgee
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            @emgee

            Hi Bill, I don't use the method now but did for several years, I worked mainly on smallish components in different materials and found all was OK provided cut depths were not excessive and feedrate kept to suit the cutter, if excess of either the job may be damaged by shifting in the vice or clamps.
            I never had enough spindle speed for very small cutters in aluminium so had to keep DOC and feedrate very low to suit.

            Before the intro of low cost milling machines many models including exhibition examples were built using a lathe with vertical slide for milling.

            Emgee

            #387241
            Dave Wootton
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              @davewootton

              Hi Bill

              From experience of building my first loco, a Simplex, using an ML7 and vertical slide, it's quite possible given a little patience to do all the milling for a fairly large loco entirely on a lathe and vertical slide combination. As I was on a very tight budget at the time with two young children, much of the drilling was done on the set up until I could get a pillar drill.

              I used the fixed type slide, and various home made angle plates ( bits of scrap angle fly cut square on the cross slide!) combined with the Myford machine vice, things like connecting rods had to be fluted in two goes, but it's all achievable. I once visited the workshop of the late Bill Carter, who built two absolutely beautiful gold medal winning locomotives, with surprisingly limited equipment.

              Obviously not as rigid or versatile as a milling machine, but it can be done and done well using a basic set up, my Simplex would never win any medals, but has given years of enjoyment, I've got a fairly well equipped workshop now, but it doesn't seem as much fun as my early efforts!

              Many of the older copies of the M.E from the 50's to the late 70's were based around the lathe only workshop, so are well worth reading for ideas on set ups for all sorts of machining challenges. I'm sure you won't be disappointed if you go ahead with the Myford/ vertical slide idea. Hope the above waffle is helpful.

              Happy Christmas

              Dave

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                  #387244
                  Michael Gilligan
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                    @michaelgilligan61133

                    Bill,

                    I suggest you get a copy of 'Milling in the Lathe'

                    … a very informative little book.

                    MichaelG.

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                    http://www.gandmtools.co.uk/shop/milling-in-the-lathe-edgar-t-westbury/

                    Edited By Michael Gilligan on 23/12/2018 11:15:46

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                      #387249
                      Hopper
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                        @hopper

                        I've done quite a bit of small milling the lathe, both the old Drummond M Type "Flagellator" and the ML7. It can be done, including milling 1" thick steel plate etc. Just takes a bit more time and fiddling about than a proper milling machine, and you tend to get a crick in your neck from working sideways all the time.

                        Unless you are going to do helical gear cutting etc, I'd recommend the fixed type vertical slide over the double swivel type. The double swivel type tends to move about a bit under heavy cuts.

                        I've been thinking about a Seig X3 or similar milling machine for a few years but for the bit of model making and vintage bike work I do, the lathe and vertical slide does the job. I have even cut a few gears quite successfully.

                        Despite what some find, I have had no trouble holding milling cutters in teh three jaw chuck. And cheap milling cutters from Aliexpress seem to do the job. Solid carbide jobs seem to work particularly well, probably because they hold a good sharp edge so well. I've found a 16mm end mill cutter works well in the Myford. Bigger cutters seem to cause more flexing of the cross slide and vertical slide, although I use up to 25mm for roughing. Also, basic fly cutter works well too.

                        It's definitely not as "nice" as having a dedicated mill, but with care and patience it gets the job done perfectly well. The fixed slides are not that expensive secondhand so you could buy one and give it a try.

                        #387255
                        Paul Lousick
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                          @paullousick59116

                          I started making parts with a second hand 9" Southbend lathe and added a vertical slide for milling but found it very limited. Slow spindle speed and short table travel. Soon upgraded and bought a mill. Later upgraded to a bigger mill as I found it lacked rigidity.

                          I have found that I use the mill for tha majority of my work and a lathe not so often. Most parts that I make are not round.

                          Paul.

                          #387258
                          Neil Wyatt
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                            Tubal Cain's milling operations in the lathe (Workshop Practice Series) is very good and (a bit) more up to date than the ETW one (much as I like ETW's writing).

                            Neil

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                              #387268
                              Dave Halford
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                                Posted by Bill Chugg on 23/12/2018 11:01:22:

                                Thanks reply from Dave

                                My disability would prevent me doing this – I can barely walk with sticks. Also space is a problem.

                                I can only do a small bit of machine work at a time on very small models – anything more than a Stuart s50 or a gauge 1 loco is a no go.

                                Bill

                                Edited By Bill Chugg on 23/12/2018 11:02:40

                                Sorry to hear that Bill.

                                A plain vertical slide on a Myford will do you just fine. Plenty of people find the swivel slide too wobbly for use.

                                Dave

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                                  #387286
                                  Harry Wilkes
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                                    Hi Bill check out Steve Jordan on youtube he does a lot of milling on his lathe link

                                    H

                                    #387342
                                    Zan
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                                      @zan

                                      Chris Rayward (writing as Hotspour) described his 7/14” well tank in EIM in the late 90’s into the norties. He did it all on the Myford, mainly without using a v slide, he just used packing under the toolpost. So it can be done,.

                                      You need to think about things with great care.

                                      But there are some cracking very small Sieg millers which with care don’t take up much room .. milling in the lathe is a pain to set up, not easy too see what’s going on, often limited in travel. I did a fair amount years ago but not any more thank goodness!

                                      #387353
                                      SillyOldDuffer
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                                        @sillyoldduffer

                                        A step up from the vertical slide are the milling head attachments made to fit Myfords: try searching for 'Rodney' and 'Potts'. There may be others.

                                        But be aware that even a baby Chinese milling machine would be more capable than any attachment you can put on a small lathe. Lathes aren't built to take milling stresses, there's very little room for the job, and you can only take tiny cuts. Although people can and do achieve miracles with slides I found using mine very frustrating. Don't think a vertical slide is a slightly inferior option – if you can squeeze one in a real mill is much better.

                                        Dave

                                        #387370
                                        Howard Lewis
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                                          @howardlewis46836

                                          + 1 for the lack of rigidity of the swivelling vertical slide.

                                          Even with a Rodney milling attachment, it accentiated the lack of rigidity of the ML7. So I bought a Warco Economy Mill/Drill (Biggest that would fit in the then workshop)

                                          If you take things very gently, you may well be OK. LOTS of superb work done on 7 Series Myfords.

                                          Howardl

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