Increasing a bore

Increasing a bore

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    Peter Simpson 3
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      @petersimpson3

      Hi all. I have have some 8mm OD x 4mm ID mild steel tube at 150mm long. The tube needs to have the bore increased to 4.5mm. The internal bore need to be quite accurate.

      Do I drill it from each end or purchase a long reach drill and do the job from one end. Is there a better way to increase the bore other than using a drill bit ?

      #822261
      bernard towers
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        @bernardtowers37738

        Use a long chucking reamer

        #822262
        old mart
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          @oldmart

          First you should try hard to find some ready sized tube, it may be available if your lucks in. The size of drill you need would be likely to be available in around 80mm long series which would need drilling from both ends and if you really wanted one to reach 150mm it would be an expensive special. I could have a look to see if we have something at the museum which would do the trick tomorrow, we do have a huge number of extra long drills which have been gifted to us.

          A reamer that size might work, but increasing the bore 0.5mm, 0.0195″ would be hard on a reamer three times the diameter.

          #822268
          Peter Cook 6
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            @petercook6

            if you have the travel on the lathe saddle, mount the tube on the cross slide, make a between centres boring bar and line bore the tube.

            When you say the bore needs to be “quite accurate”, do you mean it’s diameter or its concentricity with the OD?

            #822269
            Julie Ann
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              @julieann

              Drill Service have a 4.5mm extra long series drill with a flute length of 150mm which is not overly expensive:

              https://www.drill-service.co.uk/products/drills/extra-length-drill/del-hss-drill-extra-length/

              But discussion of the various methods is a bit pointless (pun intended) until the OP can describe what he means by “quite accurate”. What needs to be accurate; the finished diameter, concentricity with the OD, surface finish or staightness?

              Julie

              Addendum: Peter types faster than me!

              #822273
              Peter Cook 6
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                @petercook6

                As a PS, check out methods for boring gun barrels. 4.5mm or 0.177″ is a standard air/bb gun bore.

                Be careful, various bits of officialdom get VERY interested in people with weapons making capability!!

                #822274
                John Haine
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                  @johnhaine32865

                  I think a 3mm dia by 150mm long boring bar might be a tad too flexible to mount between centres…

                  #822275
                  Peter Cook 6
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                    @petercook6

                    A 4mm bar wouldn’t be that much more bendy than a 4.5mm long series drill, or a  similar reamer only held at one end!

                    #822276
                    Nigel Graham 2
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                      @nigelgraham2

                      Can you modify the design so the assembly does not rely on the truth of the full length of the tube?

                      #822277
                      duncan webster 1
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                        @duncanwebster1
                        On Peter Cook 6 Said:

                        A 4mm bar wouldn’t be that much more bendy than a 4.5mm long series drill, or a  similar reamer only held at one end!

                        A boring bar only cuts one side, so has an applied side load. A well sharpened drill cuts on 2 sides, and is supported at least to some extent by the hole it has just drilled. Might be worth trying a D bit made from 4.5mm silver steel, but there is a fair chance of it grabbing

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                        #822279
                        John Haine
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                          @johnhaine32865

                          There are drills designed for making gun barrels – try one of those. In fact 4.5mm = 0.177 inches…

                          #822320
                          Peter Simpson 3
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                            @petersimpson3

                            The reason for the increase in bore diameter is. I have been asked to repair an old model crane. It has two hydraulic rams that lift the jib. The piston parts of these are made of good quality polished steel at 4.5mm diameter. One of the external cylinders has been damaged over the years, and the piston will no longer slid in it. I have sourced some 8mmx4mm tube as I have searched the internet and cannot find anything closer. My “quite accurate” bore is to ensure the parts slide nicely into each other. I have thought about drilling it out 4.4mm then hone it us wet and dry paper to achieve a quite accurate fit. I have several 4.4mm drill that would the job if drilling from each end. I could buy and long series 4.4mm drill and it out from one end but was unsure about the result.

                            #822328
                            Andrew Crow
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                              @andrewcrow91475
                              On duncan webster 1 Said:
                               Might be worth trying a D bit made from 4.5mm silver steel, but there is a fair chance of it grabbing.

                              This could be worth a try, when you harden silver steel it “grows” very slightly if you polish the un-hardened part to reduce the size slightly and run slow with plenty of oil it may work.

                              Andy

                              #822331
                              Peter Simpson 3
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                                @petersimpson3

                                Andrew I never thought about a D bit. but like the idea. I will give it a go. Thanks

                                #822345
                                parovoz
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                                  @parovoz

                                  OK…. for a hudraulic cylinder try to source thick wall steel tube ( Metal supermarket – usual diaclaimer do this material – I recently purchased 1/2″ bore 1″ OD thick wall from them ). and if you need to use a slightly different diameter and re make the piston to suit, much easier.

                                  If you must drill… Try this.

                                   

                                  Turn down the end of the drill and thread it and make an extension shaft. Instant long drill. Drill in stages clearing the flutes every couple of mm of depth once the flutes are hidden in the bore. I have drilled out a 3 foot long tube that way many years ago.

                                  Drill a fraction under size then make a ‘long reamer’ as per above. Then ream the bore the same way.

                                  THEN –  whether you drill it or get ready sized drawn tube you must to this…..

                                  Hone it / polish it.

                                  Make up a simple hone using smooth wet and dry abrasive wrapped round a long bar, tack the end with tape and wrap it around a few times making it a snug fit in the bore. lube with light oil and polish the machining marks, a brisk-ish in and out motion during honing helps to average out the asperities and produce a nice smooth bore.

                                  Have done it many times to make longer cylinders and it works a treat.

                                   

                                  #822349
                                  Andrew Crow
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                                    @andrewcrow91475

                                    Good suggestion Paravoz, I have also made extension drills in a similar way, but have used loctite or soft solder to fix the extension piece.

                                    Andy

                                    #822355
                                    duncan webster 1
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                                      @duncanwebster1

                                      It might be a lot easier to find some tube of about the right size and make a new piston. Macc sell 6mm od 5.1mm id brass.

                                      Lots of the above suggestions will work on bigger tube, but this is very small

                                      #822363
                                      KenL
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                                        @kenl

                                        The easy method to try is the ancient art of “spill boring”.

                                        Do a Google search on how to make one.

                                        I’ve seen them made using a HSS tool blank working against a wooden spill to enlarge a bore in small increments with surprising accuracy.

                                        #822366
                                        peak4
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                                          @peak4

                                          An alternative might be two concentric tubes.
                                          Here’s a couple of possibilities.

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                                          Bill

                                          #822383
                                          old mart
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                                            @oldmart

                                            I remembered to look through the stock of long series drills at the museum today and failed to find a 4.5mm one. 4.1, 4.2 AND 4.6mm which are long enough to reach over halfway. There were some under 4mm which were about 150mm long and they had the first 15 mm of the end ground down to provide a guide in an existing hole doing their cutting at the step.

                                            #822405
                                            peter1972
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                                              @peter1972

                                              Assuming you are using a lathe, I think you are liable to find the bore becomes slightly oversize, especially near the ends, due to slightly imperfect alignment of headstock, workpiece bore and drill.

                                              #822476
                                              old mart
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                                                @oldmart

                                                As already mentioned, 4.5mm is 0.177″ which is a common airgun bore size. You may be able to get an unrifled tube for a BB gun as a spare part.

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