My father’s watchmakers lathe (Flexispeed)

My father’s watchmakers lathe (Flexispeed)

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    richard3267
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      @richardrogalewski21509

      Hi. My late father’s watchmakers lathe is a modified Flexispeed lathe. It was modified either by my father or soneone else prior to it’s acquisition. I’m not sure what the model is. I atttach pictures.Flexispeed 01

      #818823
      richard3267
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        @richardrogalewski21509

        It was modified to hold collets:DSCF0003

        #818873
        Bazyle
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          @bazyle

          An interesting modification to this early Mk1. When you have released the collet look closely into the bore and see if it was recut to accept the collet or has an insert as used on some small lathes.
          The lack of leadscrew and seemingly short bed if it is not a photographic perspective effect leads me to wonder if it was damaged and sawn off short. The body from the gap to the right hand end should be 8in.

          #818900
          richard3267
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            @richardrogalewski21509

            Hi. The bed is definitely truncated.  The wheel on the left, is from a toy car that I had in the 1960’s. Dad bought an Expensive Bergeon lathe, then later sold it and went back to the Flexispeed.Flexispeed (2)

            #818916
            Bazyle
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              @bazyle

              The tailstock is on backwards and also modified, probably to get extra length between centres.
              Do you have some more collets? The body of these ones are normally one of 3 sizes, 6,8, or10mm. The front of the collet is normally stamped with its capacity in tenths of a mm so “24” is 2.4mm.

              #819355
              richard3267
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                @richardrogalewski21509

                I might have about 15 or 20 collets. I think they might be 8mm. Not sure whether to “let them go”. Idea is to chrome plate my dad’s lathe and have it on show, not to be used really.

                #819359
                SillyOldDuffer
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                  @sillyoldduffer
                  On richard3267 Said:

                  … Dad bought an Expensive Bergeon lathe, then later sold it and went back to the Flexispeed.

                  Be interesting to know why!  In theory, a Bergeon should run rings around a Flexispeed.  Possible reasons:

                  • The Bergeon was in poor condition.   Expensive brand names do not protect against wear and tear.  A Flexispeed in good nick will easily outperform a Bergeon that’s been thrashed!
                  • He was comfortably familiar with his personalised Flexispeed and didn’t get on with the Bergeon.
                  • Maybe the Bergeon didn’t outperform any better than the Flexispeed in dad’s skilled hands.  If so, he might have decided to sell it, the money being tasty if the Flexispeed was “good enough”.    An unskilled operator might prefer the Bergeon because it’s quicker and easier to get good results from good equipment.  But it sounds as if dad was skilled.
                  • Lathes like the Bergeon pay off when fully accessorised.    Was there a big box of bits?  If not, the lathe on it’s own isn’t particularly wonderful.

                  Do you remember what the lathe was used for?   Building new, repair work, or both?  Clocks or watches?  What other equipment did he have?  Big workshop or under the stairs?   The history is as fascinating as the machine!

                  Dave

                  #819390
                  richard3267
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                    @richardrogalewski21509

                    I never saw my dad use the cross slide. He turned things by hand, like you do with wood turning. So, in some ways the Bergeon lathe was overkill. After dad’s death, I sold most of his stuff on Ebay. I still have his watch crystal fitting device. Manufacturer’s name begins with “O”. He was self-taught and worked professionally as watch & clock repairer. In the town of Dewsbury actually.

                    #819391
                    richard3267
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                      @richardrogalewski21509

                      A picture of dad at work. That shot is taken from what became my bedroom, early 1960’s. The lathe is in that shot, I think. Hope posting this is kosher.Lean Rogalewski Bedroom

                      #819409
                      SillyOldDuffer
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                        @sillyoldduffer
                        On richard3267 Said:

                        A picture of dad at work. …Lean Rogalewski Bedroom

                        Excellent photo.  The lathe is hard to see, but a bench packed with other goodies.  At first glance looks untidy, but I think he’s making best use of the available space.  Radio, vice and work-light just so.  The picture is dominated front right by his parts cleaner, with 4 different liquids, essential for repair work.  Dirt stops clocks!

                        The wood-turning style is typical of clock making.  Suits burnishing as well as cutting, and the latter is done to fit by eye, not by measuring.

                        When I retired I dithered between clocks and larger work, deciding in the end to go big.  Sometimes regret it.  Clocks are fascinating and the work is clean and quiet enough to do inside the house.   Bigger lathes upset all but the most tolerant house-holder!  And then you need a mill, bandsaw, welder, 3 ton press and a  gigantic junk box…

                        Are you tempted to have a go yourself?

                        🙂

                        Dave

                         

                        #819482
                        Michael Gilligan
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                          @michaelgilligan61133

                          Like Dave … I find that photo intriguing on many levels

                          Thanks for sharing it.

                          I think we could have a virtual ‘Archeological  Dig’ trying to identify some of the items.

                          MichaelG.

                          #819525
                          richard3267
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                            @richardrogalewski21509

                            Two clocks on the window sill. One is a car clock. I sold that on Ebay. The cleaner ended up going to America, it was exchanged for one with an induction motor. The motor on the cleaner in the picture is AC/DC and could run at 10,000 RPM. Occasionaly I turn it up to max speed. Towards the back is a set of small punches. I’ve still got that.

                            #819584
                            Bazyle
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                              @bazyle

                              Wonderful historical record. Working at home but still wearing a tie.

                              #819689
                              richard3267
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                                @richardrogalewski21509

                                You know, I’m not entirely sure that this MK1 lathe is truncated. Here is a picture of the end of the bed. I think something to do with a leadsrew attached to the end, using those screw holes.Flexispeed (10)

                                #819694
                                duncan webster 1
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                                  @duncanwebster1
                                  On Bazyle Said:

                                  Wonderful historical record. Working at home but still wearing a tie.

                                  My Dad, born 1910, was a jobbing builder/stonemason. He always wore a shirt and tie, set off with bib and brace overalls at work. His labourer didn’t wear a tie, just like management wore trilbys, foremen wore bowlers, the rest wore flat caps

                                  #819716
                                  Gary Wooding
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                                    @garywooding25363
                                    On Bazyle Said:

                                    Wonderful historical record. Working at home but still wearing a tie.

                                    On richard3267 Said:

                                    The motor on the cleaner in the picture is AC/DC and could run at 10,000 RPM. Occasionaly I turn it up to max speed.

                                    Why does a cleaner need a 10,000 rpm motor?

                                    #819732
                                    SillyOldDuffer
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                                      @sillyoldduffer
                                      On Gary Wooding Said:
                                      On Bazyle Said:

                                      Wonderful historical record. Working at home but still wearing a tie.

                                      On richard3267 Said:

                                      The motor on the cleaner in the picture is AC/DC and could run at 10,000 RPM. Occasionaly I turn it up to max speed.

                                      Why does a cleaner need a 10,000 rpm motor?

                                      It doesn’t.  Quite likely the cleaner is fitted with a Universal Motor rated up to 10000rpm though.  Not because that’s needed for work, but because unloaded Universal motors tend to run away and are liable to destroy themselves.

                                      A Universal motor would be unlikely to get to 10,000rpm in a cleaner because it’s loaded by stirring.     Richard is advised not to run at high-speed unless the stirrer is immersed.

                                      Universal motors aren’t as popular as they were in the good days!  Many shortcomings but being able to run on AC or DC was very helpful in the decades before electricity standardised on 240vac 50Hz.

                                      Dave

                                      #819777
                                      Nigel Graham 2
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                                        @nigelgraham2

                                        Looking at the latest photograph, no I don’t think that lathe has been truncated, either. That looks like an as-cast surface, not sawn or machined.

                                        The two holes may well have held part of a leadscrew arrangement, perhaps as an accessory, but if so I am surprised there is no machined seating around them.

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