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  • #815908
    Danni Burns
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      @danniburns84841

      Hello all

      I was thinking of painting some lettering on an wooden external door.

      I thought brass/gold colour and when looking for paint I came across gold (colour) leaf (substitutes).

      I understand that the composed is 85% copper and 15% nickel, to get the 24ct colour, but won’t this corrode/green.

      Anyway, I thought I would ask if anyone has used this for outdoor use,

      Thank you

       

      #815930
      not done it yet
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        @notdoneityet

        Brake pipes don’t corrode to green.  That is about 10% Ni.

        #815935
        Diogenes
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          @diogenes

          Yes, it will tarnish if not sealed – I think it’s really intended for indoor use – picture frames, furniture, mantel clocks, that sort of stuff..

          Paint is probably a better option – I wonder what the ‘Fairground Engine’ boys use?

           

          #815938
          JasonB
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            @jasonb

            The carrier for the finely ground powder acts as a sealer so the metal won’t oxidise

            If it is the “liquidleaf” brand that has been around for years and works OK.

            #815942
            Robert Atkinson 2
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              @robertatkinson2

              You could use real gold leaf. It’s not that expensive and does not corrode.

              Robert.

              #815952
              Danni Burns
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                @danniburns84841

                Hi.

                I was also wondering what sign writers use, and weather anyone had experience using the ‘liquid leaf’ stuff. I saw a comment prob on amazon) that it doesn’t mix properly (stays just particles floating in clear varnish).

                Gold definatly tarnishes too.

                Varnish/Lacquer, adhesive, leaf, varnish seems to be the approach with GL.

                Cheers

                #815953
                roy entwistle
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                  @royentwistle24699

                  Proper gold leaf will not tarnish

                  Roy

                  #815955
                  Russell Eberhardt
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                    @russelleberhardt48058
                    On Danni Burns Said:

                     

                    Gold definatly tarnishes too.

                     

                    Pure gold does not tarnish.  Gold leaf is usually 24 kt, or 99.9% gold and doesn’t tarnish.  Gold jewelry does tarnish as it is alloyed with other metals to improve durability.

                    Russell

                     

                    #815968
                    Dalboy
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                      @dalboy

                      This is a vase I turned back in July 2019, and it is still in this condition now the leaf on this is chemically treated brass effect.

                      I know this has not lived outside but has lasted well.

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                      #815978
                      Danni Burns
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                        @danniburns84841

                        Roy/Russell

                        I stand corrected.

                        I also found this site: https://www.goldleafsupplies.co.uk/24ct-loose-gold-leaf/

                        which mentions the same, i.e. that ’24ct Gold Leaf will not tarnis’. It looks to be a great source of info.

                        #815979
                        Danni Burns
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                          @danniburns84841

                          Dalboy – that is stunning.

                          Is there a guide available for the process for that type of thing?

                          cheers

                          #815992
                          roy entwistle
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                            @royentwistle24699

                            I remember as a lad about 85 years back watching men making gold leaf opposite Salford Central Railway Station. There where two open fronted shops below ground level and you could stand on the street and watch

                            Roy

                            #815999
                            Diogenes
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                              @diogenes
                              On roy entwistle Said:

                              I remember as a lad about 85 years back watching men making gold leaf opposite Salford Central Railway Station. There where two open fronted shops below ground level and you could stand on the street and watch

                              Roy

                              I rather envy you seeing that slice of Dickensian life – seems so far away now..

                              #816004
                              JasonB
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                                @jasonb

                                If you have not applied leaf before then the “transfer” type is likely to be less wasteful than loose. It has a carrier paper so won’t disappear if you sneeze.

                                This clock and cabinet I made about 12yrs ago still looks as good as the day I made then when I visited teh client recently. The panel mouldings are leafed to give an older distressed look.

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                                #816009
                                Danni Burns
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                                  @danniburns84841

                                  Thanks Jason

                                  That work is very impressive.

                                  Do you remember how many sheets you used on that work?

                                  #816023
                                  JasonB
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                                    @jasonb

                                    I think I got away with a single book. the beads are about 15mm wide so 6 x 100 per sheet, 25 sheets in a book would be enough for 50ft. The sides of the clock have two similar glazed panels and the ends of the cabinet are also panelled.

                                    You could also consider the metalic gold signwriters paints they tend to have a finer pigment than Liquidleaf. This company is where the leaf and size came from and they do the paints. They also have some how to info.

                                    I also have a liking for printers ink mixed with copal varnish as it is too thick straight out teh tin. very finely ground but not tried it outside, just used it a lot on model figures.

                                    MAEDA

                                    LASSALLE

                                    #816034
                                    Bill Phinn
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                                      @billphinn90025

                                      Nearly all my gold leaf (loose) for bookbinding purposes has been bought from Wrights of Lymm (same as Jason’s link).

                                      I’ve used hundreds of books over the years and tried all leaf carats from 22ct to 24ct. 23 or 23.5 is my usual choice.

                                      The prices have risen alarmingly since I last bought some.

                                      Transfer leaf in your case may be the better option, as already stated. If you do use loose leaf you will need a gold cushion and suitable draught-proofing in the work area.

                                      #816066
                                      Danni Burns
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                                        @danniburns84841

                                        Thank you, Jason/Bill

                                        I have contacted WOL for advice

                                        I am leaning towards brass paint – for ease, really. Shame, as I would like to try it. Firstly, I don’t want it to be too shiny/blingy, and I don’t want to have to buy a load of kit.

                                        I have just seen the price for paint – £37.08 incl postage for 118ml

                                        I will report back what I decide on.

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