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  • #498002
    Cornish Jack
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      @cornishjack

      We are just (I hope!) coming to the end of a particulary vicious 2 day gale. It has caused a somewhat difficult problem, in picking up, and dumping vast quantities of sand from the recently installed 'sandscaping' coastal protection. Drive, garden, patio, all buried under tons (literally) of the stuff. Years ago I would have set to with shovel and barrow but at 85, it's not really an option. I am not up to speed on what might be available as personal hire machinery which might suit the purpose. Can any members better informed suggest what might be suitable – one, limited mobility operator 3' width limit for gate access?

      TIA

      rgds

      Bill

      Edited By Cornish Jack on 26/09/2020 18:48:36

      #27655
      Cornish Jack
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        @cornishjack
        #498009
        MichaelR
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          @michaelr

          A search around your local plant hire company's should find what you require such as a Mini Digger or Micro Digger, which should fit your access, some are electric powered.

          Mike.

          Edited By MichaelR on 26/09/2020 19:04:39

          Edited By MichaelR on 26/09/2020 19:16:18

          #498015
          Grizzly bear
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            @grizzlybear

            Bill,

            **LINK**

            Don't forget to wear your goggles!

            Good luck, Bear..

            #498039
            Stuart Smith 5
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              @stuartsmith5

              You could rent a loader such as this:

              **LINK**

              I rented a larger version (an Avant 528) to move about 12 tonnes of gravel a few weeks ago and found it easy to use.

              Or you could rent one with an operator!

              Stuart

              #498040
              Steviegtr
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                @steviegtr

                A leaf blower can be used in reverse with the catch bag attached. But it would mean having to deal with the weight of the machine plus sand when getting full. The other problem of course unless you know a builder, what are you going to do with the tons of sand.

                Bad situation to be in Bill. Regards Steve.

                On 2nd thoughts, ring the council, surely they would send a suction typa slurry wagon with extended pipework. After all it is their sand.

                Edited By Steviegtr on 26/09/2020 21:11:21

                #498046
                Trevor Crossman 1
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                  @trevorcrossman1

                  Hello Bill, is your home like one that is pictured in the Eastern Daily Press pages showing the aftermath of the storm? If so you have my sympathy that's one hell of a lot of sand to shift! That was quite a blow even down here on South Norfolk border.

                  A Bobcat type of machine would do the job, is relatively cheap to hire and quite easy to operate, most hire companies have them. The bigger problem though is that skid-steer loaders like this will likely rip up your lawns/brickweave or other loose surface and won't be able to get into small corners. Are there any electric power augers to hire locally that could move sand?

                  I guess that the local and county council will say that it's not their problem in your garden.

                  Trevor

                  #498051
                  Robert Butler
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                    @robertbutler92161

                    Be careful with hire, most firms hire the plant under contract which renders the hirer responsible for loss or damage to the plant. Further you are responsible for any damage you cause whilst using the plant. Cheaper and safer to get in touch with a local contractor who will arrive with a suitable machine and be able to use it safely and if necessary come equipped with a means of removing the sand from site.

                    Make sure that you ask for a quote to do "the job" rather than pay on a "day rate" basis otherwise you may still find you inherit liability for damage to the machine etc. as above. Think how much even a tyre would cost to replace. Construction Plant Association conditions of hire or Hire Association of Europe conditions refer. It is most unlikely your home insurance will cover this.

                    Regards Robert Butler

                    #498054
                    Andrew Evans
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                      @andrewevans67134

                      Is this covered on your house insurance? If so they would presumably get a contractor to sort it out.

                      #498057
                      Ady1
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                        @ady1

                        phone a man with a sewer sucker type tanker and ask him?

                        Chuck it into the street like snow and let the cooncil deal with it, a contractor would have to cart it away

                        sand sucker/blowers exist so you can shift it over your wall. biomass extraction for instance

                        https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/weather/residents-react-after-walcott-and-bacton-engulfed-by-sandstorm-1-6857360

                        Edited By Ady1 on 26/09/2020 23:53:24

                        #498062
                        Hopper
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                          @hopper

                          85 years old? Get a man in to do it. Let him choose what machinery he wants to use.

                          And do check with your insurance company and the council about who pays for it all. If the sand came from a council project of some sort they may help. You don't know if you don't ask.

                          #498064
                          Hopper
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                            @hopper
                            Posted by Cornish Jack on 26/09/2020 18:47:44:

                            …picking up, and dumping vast quantities of sand from the recently installed 'sandscaping' coastal protection. Drive, garden, patio, all buried under tons (literally) of the stuff.

                            PS it sounds like the council or whoever did the "sandscaping" should pay to fix the problem they created through their poor design. Get onto them and insist they clean up their mess. Get with neighbours in the same boat and insist en masse. Get legal advice if you need it, maybe from community legal aid etc.

                            And get your house insurance company involved first up. It should cover storm damage repair. They will then put pressure on the council to pay up if they deem it their fault — but they will fight that battle for you.

                            #498080
                            not done it yet
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                              @notdoneityet

                              Hopper is right. It is their sand and they should recover it.

                              #498086
                              Oldiron
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                                @oldiron
                                Posted by Ady1 on 26/09/2020 23:28:39:

                                Chuck it into the street like snow and let the council deal with it, a contractor would have to cart it away.

                                Unfortunately dumping it in the street will be classed as fly tipping and will result in a large fine.

                                Contact the council (if the are open) and ask them if they want it back and if so how will they collect it.

                                It sounds like a nightmare scenario. I hope you get it sorted soon.

                                regards

                                #498097
                                Andrew Evans
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                                  @andrewevans67134

                                  Or pray hard for a storm in the opposite direction and it will get blown right back.

                                  #498103
                                  Ady1
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                                    @ady1

                                    You're not fly tipping, you're returning council property to council land

                                    If you went onto the beach and moved tons of sand into your garden you'd get done for theft

                                    Edited By Ady1 on 27/09/2020 10:42:01

                                    #498106
                                    Cornish Jack
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                                      @cornishjack

                                      Huge thank you to all for those most useful replies. Interestingly, our house features in Ady1's link video (the view showing the sandscaping scheme display – that's our wall).

                                      The various machines available are a 'boys' toys' Xmas list! … however, the wise counsels will prevailsad

                                      Insurers first, (not hopeful), Council next (cash-strapped, so similar) and then to find a reliable 'man-who-can'. Our treasured long-term 'go-to' man isn't contactable so it will be search and hope.

                                      Thank you all again, it has given much food for thought!

                                      rgds

                                      Bill

                                      #498107
                                      ega
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                                        @ega

                                        Like others, I wondered about insurance but have a feeling that the "operation of nature" may not be covered; of course, the answer lies in the terms of the insurance contract.

                                        I believe that, over the years, the lofts of the houses along the seafront at Blackpool have filled with sand.

                                        #498112
                                        martin perman 1
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                                          @martinperman1

                                          Sadly I think any recompence from insurers and councils will fall under the heading of "Act of God"

                                          Martin P

                                          #498147
                                          Hopper
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                                            @hopper
                                            Posted by martin perman on 27/09/2020 11:23:24:

                                            Sadly I think any recompence from insurers and councils will fall under the heading of "Act of God"

                                            Martin P

                                            Insurance regularly pays out for damage by cyclones, hurricanes, gales, hailstorms floods, storms, lightning strikes, bushfires, forest fires etc. I think it's an athiest business these days.

                                            #498148
                                            larry phelan 1
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                                              @larryphelan1

                                              Render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasers.

                                              Chuck it out for them to deal with.

                                              #498182
                                              duncan webster 1
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                                                @duncanwebster1

                                                I've seen what I can only describe as 'scoop lorries' picking up rubble from building jobs around here, a telescopic arm with a clamshell grab mounted on a big lorry. Not sure how far they reach, but ring a local skip hire chap, they will know someone who has one.

                                                #498191
                                                not done it yet
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                                                  @notdoneityet
                                                  Posted by duncan webster on 27/09/2020 18:03:21:

                                                  I've seen what I can only describe as 'scoop lorries' picking up rubble from building jobs around here, a telescopic arm with a clamshell grab mounted on a big lorry. Not sure how far they reach, but ring a local skip hire chap, they will know someone who has one.

                                                  I watched the water company fitting a meter a couple of weeks ago. One man loosening the ground with a jack hammer and the loosened clods being sucked into a large truck. Suction pipe was likely a couple hundred mm in diameter. They finished the job in about an hour from start to finish, with most of the gang standing around when I passed by (three times).

                                                  Edited By not done it yet on 27/09/2020 18:31:58

                                                  #498333
                                                  Roderick Jenkins
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                                                    @roderickjenkins93242

                                                    Link to a BBC news report on the sand problem:

                                                    **LINK**

                                                    We were on the North Norfolk coast last week. Now looking for a dent removal company after a roof tile tried to have a go at flying over our car ( and failed ) sad

                                                    Rod

                                                    #499055
                                                    Cornish Jack
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                                                      @cornishjack

                                                      Just an update.

                                                      More in desperation than optimism, I phoned the NNDC yesterday morning. The usual multitude of options brought me, eventually, to a young man who had the remarkable talent to interface with potentially irate callers. He could not have been more conciliatory or helpful and assured me that he would process my query immediately and ensure that I got a response. In the middle of lunch, doorbell rings and a young lady said she was from the Council and was checking on our problem. She assured us we had been added to a list of affected properties and would definitely have the sand cleared in due course!

                                                      The exclamation mark of surprise is based on the previous reaction of the same Council when our house was destroyed in the 2013 storm. Totally 'chalk and cheese'! My innate cynicism says 'wait and see', but if things are as indicated I shall ensure that a letter of appreciation is sent. Maybe, ….. just maybe !

                                                      rgds

                                                      Bill

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