A Few Questions About Correct Set Up

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    Steve Cole 1
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      @stevecole1

      Hello All,

      Every one on this forum was very helpful helping me decide on what route i should go down with my new lathe and workshop project. I now have a question about correctly setting everything up!

      So i have had chance to use my lathe and mill for a few small projects, starting to get my head around everything now and would like to know a few of the following.

      1) Truing the chuck

      2) Correct speed and feed

      3) Good turning practice

      Ok so i have a Warco BH600G and its a beautiful lathe! It suites my needs down to the ground. I have purchased a quick change tool post and i have a selection of HSS cutters. Now i went for HSS as i was told that they offer a better surface finish and could be ground to the shape and angle i want. Personally i haven't found them to be all that great. They dull fairly easily and if you attempt to cut anything really hard the do not like it out all. A friend gave me a carbide indexable cutter and the results seemed far superior (for a novice like me) i could cut faster and take a deeper cut and it stayed sharp for ages! Then once it went blunt i just turned the tip around, brilliant! So needless to say i have ordered a set of those which will be here on Tuesday.

      So my next question is what is the correct speed and feed rate? The majority of my work is using aluminium or brass and more recently stainless but mainly aluminium. Im not sure if i have got the correct ratio for my lathe but that is because i don't fully understand how to correctly set everything up. I am a home engineer learning from scratch, i have tried to find a course but sadly there is nothing available so the more you guys can help the better.

      I would also like to know how to correctly set the chuck to its running as near to perfect as possible. The chuck thats on it at the moment is an un branded 3 jaw self centring chuck which i am looking to replace. What would people recommend? I want a good chuck which i properly centre on my lathe and i was wondering what the correct procedure is to check and adjust it? How do i check if the spindle is out and if it is how do i align it? Also what is classed as acceptable run out?

      Sorry for the very novice questions but as i have said i don't really know any engineers and i am yet to find a basic engineering cause which focuses specifically on manual milling and turning.

      Many thanks

      Steve

      #24023
      Steve Cole 1
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        @stevecole1

        How to accurately set up my lathe.

        #199834
        Thor 🇳🇴
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          @thor

          Hi Steve,

          Here are a few links for cutting speeds you should on your lathe:

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          I don't know if you have read Hercus: Textbook of turning, or read this thread?

          For turning aluminium i usually use HSS tools with more toprake than for steel, and I usse a fine diamond hone to get the cutting surfaces as smooth as I can. If you want to use carbide there are special inserts for turning aluminium.

          Thor

           

          Edited By Thor on 09/08/2015 18:07:46

          #199835
          Neil Wyatt
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            @neilwyatt

            Hello Steve,

            This is my advice, others will surely differ.

            The short answer is only make adjustments if it is not giving you the results you need. I would would be surprised if the spindle on a BH600 not fine as it is.

            The best test is to turn something relatively long, and large enough not to flex without tailstock support. If it is both accurately circular and as parallel along its length as you need things to be, relax and get one enjoying yourself.

            No 3-jaw chuck is perfect at all diameters. If you want one that is spot on, you can get the 'grip tru' type, but be aware that it will need to be readjusted every time you change diameter, so unless you are into mass production, live with the limitations of a 30-jaw and use a 4-jaw when you need to set something spot on.

            Trying to get Hardinge toolroom lathe performance out of any ordinary finish turning lathe is a path to madness.

            Neil

            #199838
            NJH
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              @njh

              Steve

              I think that a bit of reading will help you more by giving you some background knowledge. If you then get stuck I'm sure that you will get answers here but, at the moment, it reads a bit like ….." I've got a new lathe – how do I use it?" I suggest, for a starter, Harold Hall's books see HERE ( there are many other books on lathe operations and, no doubt you will acquire a great number.)

              Regards

              Norman

              #199849
              JohnF
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                @johnf59703

                Hi Steve, as Neil says there are many opinions and no one will be wrong, there are too many variables, Thors link to Smithy I think will be the most useful to you it's plain and simple. Keep in mind that many of these tables are probably on the assumption that you have your work flooded with coolant —- probably not ? so slow down the surface speed and feed to suit.

                HSS should be good for most things especially on small lightweight machines BUT I have found that some of the imported HSS is a poor substitute for good quality and branded UK, USA, European made tools. although nowadays you never really know where tools are made but a high profile brand is probably a good guide to quality. I have tried far eastern HSS and it does not perform as well or at least the sample I had didn't . I tend to look on EBay for Eclipse, Super Capital, Osbourn etc but I reckon I have enough supplies now.

                Yes you can cut at a faster speed with carbide but I have been cutting metal for well over 50 years and on my lathes I mainly use HSS, I do have some carbide tools but HSS is much more versatile and I have never had a problem unless you try to cut very high tensile pre heat treated alloy steels, remember we are not on a production line where time is money.

                Chucks, we'll all mine are European, Bernard and TOS, I have tried a couple of Far East ones and not to the standard I want but being mindful of price they are good value, all depends on what you want. As others have said you will not get 100% truth from any self centering chuck but you will get a much better performance from the likes of TOS, Bernard, Bison etc. you pays your money !

                I don't know what the mounting system is on your lathe but it is essential to ensure the back plate is machined to a precise fit on YOUR machine spindle and then turn the register for the new chuck with it mounted on your lathe.

                Well that's my five penneth good luck and enjoy your machines.John

                 

                 

                Edited By JohnF on 09/08/2015 19:09:45

                #199859
                Ajohnw
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                  @ajohnw51620

                  There is a need to get answers to all sorts of questions to help with this. Have you any aluminium or mild steel around 1in 25mm dia?

                  John

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