Newer HSS on a lathe

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

Newer being a relative term but we learn as we go.

I've been working my way through a tough job at the moment and the better quality HSS I purchased like M35 M42 and WKE45 has been failing to cut the mustard, or so I thought

It was because I was using it wrong, and going for maximum speed

Once I turned my lathe into a "revolving shaper" ie I used the backgear the job became a doddle

Smoke drifted up from the job as it ploughed through the steel but it didn't need resharpening once and quite deep intermittent cuts were possible

This newer cobalt stuff really opens up new options, cast iron being the obvious application, thread cutting too

 

Edited By Ady1 on 18/07/2015 11:40:16

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

[colin hawesParticipant @colinhawes85982]

If the machine is robust enough a heavy feed rate can actually reduce tool wear as the tool is cooler biting into fresh metal getting less time to take heat from the swarf which may well be heated to blue at recommended speed. Colin

[AjohnwParticipant @ajohnw51620]

What material is that ?

John

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[VicParticipant @vic]

All the hobby supply houses sell HSS but the problem is you don't know exactly what you're getting.

I bought some M42 from Cromwell a while back but I've yet to see if it actually cuts any better.

[jason udallParticipant @jasonudall57142]

Most drills are hss..are we surprised that these cut?.

[AjohnwParticipant @ajohnw51620]

Drills and milling cutters are HSS and the type used varies. M35 and 42 have been around for a long time. M42 tends to be too expensive in my view M35 not too bad really considering it will generally stay sharper for longer than the cheap stuff. M35 is sometimes described as 5% cobalt or HSSE. From just a cutting perspective the higher cobalt content allows higher cutting speeds before heat at the cutting edge spoils the temper. That also helps when the tools are ground. It's very easy to wreck the temper of some of them during grinding. It's best to not take advantage of the higher cutting speeds at home unless people wants to resharpen often.

The M's as I understand it are American designations. HSS has traditionally been sold by manufactures name with the ingredients on the side of the packet they were in. Frustrating if a brand was excellent but is no longer around.

It's worth looking in Cromwell's clearance section for tool bits. Names keep changing when new stocks come in so they seem to sell the last of the earlier ones there. Harry???? on Ebay sells M35 tools bits. One of the few that do.

When it gets to stellite and tantung g and crobalt etc cutting temperatures can go up again. If used at normal cutting speeds what ever those are they should stay sharp even longer. Some of these shouldn't be chilled in water when ground as they may fracture.

Cutting speeds really are just somebodies idea of speeds that will give their idea of a reasonable tool life.

John

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