Milling machine

[Jonathon BywaterParticipant @jonathonbywater45041]

I keep seeing this advertised but cant find any info about it. It looks sturdy enough and a square column but I it s got to be ok for model engineering work without shakes and wobbles. Grateful for any help if anyone knows anything about Jones and Shipman ancient milling machines.

Thanks Jonathon

Hopefully photo will turn up!

Edited By Jonathon Bywater on 15/08/2021 16:26:54

Photo wont turn up, no idea  how to do that. Better just forget that one,sorry!

Edited By Jonathon Bywater on 15/08/2021 16:31:59

[Jonathon BywaterParticipant @jonathonbywater45041]

What is it?

[Brian HParticipant @brianh50089]

Hello Jonathon, this is my go- to site for old machines;

**LINK**

Al the best,

Brian

[Jonathon BywaterParticipant @jonathonbywater45041]

Thank you Brian. Your site is most useful and I ve used it many times,unfirtunately no Jones and Shipman under milling machines. Apart from tbe one advertised !

[old martParticipant @oldmart]

Hi, Jonathon, try putting "albums" in the keyword box at the top of the page, or "photos", there will be some useful advise. For adding a link, you can go to the site and right click on the address and "cut". Then paste to the icon marked "link" above.

Edited By old mart on 15/08/2021 16:47:39

[Jonathon BywaterParticipant @jonathonbywater45041]

Got it thank you. I ve just bought it too. I m removing my reliance on chinese stuff. Dont ask why it would take too long and that lovely old machine will do well.

[old martParticipant @oldmart]

Great, get some pictures posted when you have worked out how to do so.

[Jonathon BywaterParticipant @jonathonbywater45041]

I will do oldmart. Seems its quite big so I ll have nothing to worry about model engineering . I might keep the chinese one too for tiny milling.

[old martParticipant @oldmart]

It is handy to have 2 machines if you can manage it, and a lathe as well to complete the set. Be prepared to partly dismantle it if it is too big or heavy to get into position easily.

Edited By old mart on 15/08/2021 21:04:14

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

Posted by Jonathon Bywater on 15/08/2021 16:34:36:

Thank you Brian. Your site is most useful and I ve used it many times,unfirtunately no Jones and Shipman under milling machines. Apart from tbe one advertised !

Are you sure it is a Jones and Shipman? Or is it an Adcock and Shipley?

[Pete.Participant @pete-2]

Take a screenshot on your phone, upload that, it's impossible for anyone to help you identify it without a picture.

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Is it this one, as advertised on lathes.co.uk at the moment?

Not a tool for removing lots of metal quickly I suspect. Looks like a mill-drill currently fitted with a Jacobs Chuck (no good for milling). I guess from its layout the machine was designed for delicate work and note the seller wants to upgrade to a Tom Senior or Centec.

Condition is everything. Are you able to travel to Newton Abbot to see it in action? Watching it cut metal will reveal if if suits your needs or not.

Anyone familiar with this machine or similar in action?

Dave

[Pete.Participant @pete-2]

That's a Jones and Shipman drill with a far eastern XY table bolted to it, the fact it's been used as a mill is terrible abuse of a nice old drill, and trying to sell it as a mill is terribly dishonest, the seller must know this isn't a milling machine, which is why he wants to swap it for a milling machine.

[Nicholas FarrParticipant @nicholasfarr14254]

Hi, I agree with Pete that the XY table is not native to the machine that it is on, I have one of those XY tables which was fairly cheap when bought new, compared to others that were available at the time.

Regards Nick

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

As per Dave and Pete.

Here’s one on ebay:

J&S pillar drill

The pics show the vertical axis is not likely a very “precision” piece of kit.

With the jacobs type chuck as possibly with a non-descript attachment to the column and a cheap table makes it not even worth a trip to look at it, even if fairly close. Simply a non-starter for anyone who is serious about milling.

[Dave HalfordParticipant @davehalford22513]

The add on x/y table also takes up all the z distance. If it's that one, it's a lovely old £200 drill.

[Robert ButlerParticipant @robertbutler92161]

Ooops!

Robert Butler

[Nigel Graham 2Participant @nigelgraham2]

To be fair to the seller of the machine photographed, the ':L'-plate might be appropriate! It looks as if does take a pride in his machine-tools but was genuinely either unaware of what he was doing, or doing the best he could at the time.

It is fine as what it is – a very good drilling-machine with a co-ordinate table, and possibly fitted with a raising-block to compensate for the table-height.

It most definitely is NOT for milling though. No drilling-machine is.

I'm a bit wary of that motor-frame too. It is difficult to make out but does it rely on tilting the frame to tension the belt; in a direction that would pull the belt out of line with the Vee-grooves? Not good for the belt, pulleys or bearings. I would have bolted the machine's stand to the floor and the motor-frame to the wall or to pillars rising from the stand, with a different tensioning arrangement.

Up-grading to a Centec? Yes, that is a proper milling-machine but with a much smaller table and travels than on that drill.

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