Left Hand Milling Cutter

[norm nortonParticipant @normnorton75434]

I often have small work items (e.g. valve blanking caps) that I want to hold on the rotary table in order to machine a square or hex head on the top. These often have a thread on the other end and so easily screw into a threaded mandrel that I can grip in a collet chuck on the rotary table. They are short and offer little other surface for gripping.

The problem is that if the mandrel is held vertically, and you touch the work with a conventional (clockwise) rotating tool, the work item will unscrew from the mandrel. Ahh, I thought, I need a left hand spiral milling cutter to be running anticlockwise. But there aren't any, why not? There are LH taps and drills. The only LH spiral milling cutters are designed to turn clockwise and the spiral forces the swarf and hence work item down on the table.

So far I have got round this by setting the rotary table vertically, the mandrel thus horizontally, and now a clockwise cutter drives the work into the mandrel. But the bulk of the rotary table gets in the way of the milling head.

The thread on the work is cut first on the lathe, then the item is parted off. I cannot see that there is another work sequence to let me cut the hex first on a longer piece of stock.

Any thoughts people? and why are there no LH cutters I can find? I shall have to make a simple one.

[norm nortonParticipant @normnorton75434]

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

you can get LH cutters such as these EDIT OPPS, that's only the flutes

The alternative is to hold the work horizontally while still part of the parent bar so there is enough sticking out of your R/T, indexer or block and mull six flats behind the flange then part off.

 

Edited By JasonB on 09/09/2020 15:18:22

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

IF you have a Rotary Table, Dividing Head or Stevenson Hexagon Collet block, you could mill the flats, in the appropriate place on the raw material, with a small diameter cutter, before transferring to the lathe to screwcut, face and part off.

In this way you can use normal RH cutters without unscrewing the yet to be cut thread.

Howard

[Tony Pratt 1Participant @tonypratt1]

When I had a paid job last year I couldn't find any cutters which rotated in the opposite direction to 'conventional' cutters not sure if they still exist unless custom made, Jason B's link goes to LH helix cutters but they rotate in a conventional direction.

Tony

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

If the R T fouls the cutter / holder, is there enough raw material to centre drill, and extend clear of the RT to be supported by a Tailstock?

That is my method for cutting small gears (If you call 12 – 20T 20 DP gears small )

Howard

[Tony Pratt 1Participant @tonypratt1]

Toolinghouse.com do proper LH cutters. USA supplier though

Tony

[Tony Pratt 1Participant @tonypratt1]

Posted by Tony Pratt 1 on 09/09/2020 15:23:59:

Toolinghouse.com do proper LH cutters. USA supplier though

Tony

LH router bits on Ebay.

Tony

[DC31kParticipant @dc31k]

Would it be possible to do something to the mandrel to increase its holding force?

There are lots of solutions to stop Myford chucks unscrewing when the lathe is used in reverse.

Schaublin W-series spindles use a split clamp to secure the threaded-on chuck.

Look at how the track rod ends are clamped on your car.

[Martin KyteParticipant @martinkyte99762]

1. Mount the rotary table vertically and flycut with a cutter of 90 deg included angle. More clearance.

2. Knock up a mandrel with the appropriate thread and loctite them in. Warm up again to remove.

3. Split threaded collet in a chuck mounted on the rotary table.

regards Martin

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

Horizontal milling cutters can be turned to cut the other way. So can slitting saws.

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Try making your own milling cutters.

If you are like me a proportion will come out left handed at random…

But seriously, as you are working in brass a simple 'slot cutter' style made by grinding a silver steel bar down to 2- 3mm thick and relieving behind the cutting edges will do the job (after hardening of course).

Here's one – to an LBSC design!

Neil

[John HaineParticipant @johnhaine32865]

Make your threaded mandrel long enough so you can have a smaller screw entering a threaded hole from the back. Actually you could simply have your threaded hole right through. Then have another screw that enters the mandrel from behind that you can tighten against the item you want to mill, so it is acting as a "locknut".

Or, make the mandrel from hex bar so you can hold it horizontally in the machine vice, indexing round by lust loosening the vice after cutting each face.

[John HaineParticipant @johnhaine32865]

Oops! That should read "just loosening"….

[Dave HalfordParticipant @davehalford22513]

Posted by not done it yet on 09/09/2020 16:05:49:

Horizontal milling cutters can be turned to cut the other way. So can slitting saws.

Thats when you need a key otherwise the nut comes undone

[Martin ConnellyParticipant @martinconnelly55370]

Fly cutter running backwards with a suitably ground HSS tool in it.

Martin C

[Paul KempParticipant @paulkemp46892]

Gang mill with two horizontal cutters appropriately spaced. Added bonus you can do the job in half the time

Paul.

[roy entwistleParticipant @royentwistle24699]

If you have the cap screwed into a hole in a bar bolted to the table and go round it clockwise with a normal cutter it shouldn't unscrew, it should tighten up

[norm nortonParticipant @normnorton75434]

Pleased I have caused a little bit of enjoyable thought Some interesting feedback, thank you.

Responses in reverse order.

-touch a clockwise rotating cutter on the edge of a round object and that object will try and rotate counter-clockwise, i.e unscrew upward.

– Fly cutters by definition have a moderate radius and this means a thumping wallop each rotation.

– Putting a small piece of work in a Stevenson hex ER block, and rotating that in a chuck manually, produces errors of at least 0.010". Been there, tried it, a mess. I am looking for 0.0001" in the vertical otherwise that small hex I show in my photo has all manner of irregularities in the horizontal land around it.

-The above is why working with the rotary table horizontally is better by keeping the cutting tool at a fixed depth of cut as it runs in the X or Y past each of the six faces in turn. Hence a perfect face around the hex sides.

– A small, 6mm, three flute carbide cutter is the ideal cutting tool for the brass of this size. I just wish the Chinese made left hand cutting ones!

– I like Neil's suggestion and it is what I thought I would do. Make a 6mm dia cutter from silver steel, mill cut a pair of teeth with rake and relief, harden to a straw temper, then diamond hone the tips

[roy entwistleParticipant @royentwistle24699]

Norm forget my post above. It could be done but I shouldn't really recommend it.

Roy

[norm nortonParticipant @normnorton75434]

They do exist, found these from America, bit too expensive to import, so might keep looking. 2AAAOSwNhpa55Zd”>link

 

 

Edited By norm norton on 09/09/2020 22:08:06

[duncan webster 1Participant @duncanwebster1]

I've got a 12mm insert endmill, which takes one insert. It is basically a 1 tooth flycutter, shouldn't be too difficult to make one left hand. If you're interested I'll take a photo.

[Speedy Builder5Participant @speedybuilder5]

How about using a cut down LH drill ?

[Martin ConnellyParticipant @martinconnelly55370]

Suitably ground hss or gauge plate in a fly cutter running in reverse. You are not limited to a long sweeping arm.

Martin C

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