Help needed with Black 5 Plumbing

[Ron HancockParticipant @ronhancock63652]

I need help to do the plumbing on my loco.a Black 5 in 5"

I have nearly finished it except the plumbing.

It has a hand pump Axle Pump and one injector.

If any one could help who lives near Tamworth Staffs who could help please get in touch.

I have a warm workshop with all things needed including oxy acetaline.

Just need to be shown as don't know with returns etc to tender.

Tender has a lot of plumbing done and on of taps but don't understand the piping.

Hope some kind person can help please as want to finally get her in steam.

Best regards

Ron

Edited By Ron Hancock on 01/01/2016 18:40:28

[Ron HancockParticipant @ronhancock63652]

Black5 in 5

[Ron HancockParticipant @ronhancock63652]

[Ron HancockParticipant @ronhancock63652]

Hi Guys struggling here I am trying to find out how to pipe up the rest of my black 5.

I have looked on the Plans nothing.

I have tried searching Internet and cannot find anything.

I have a few books and still can't see anything.

A lot of the pipe work is their but can't find out how to Finnish the rest.

Their are three pipes coming to axle pump two one from bottom one from the side go to back of loco the Top one not connected where does it go to.

Also cannot find a diagram how to pipe the new injector up witch is the steam water feed in and out.

Also I need to t the axle pump and injector I am told I will need returns to the tender but cannot find any info.

I have been told in the past but memory with my Altzhimers I can't remember.

I only need to finish the plumbing to finally put in steam can any one give me any info please so frustrating to get this far and to have no idea how to proceed.

Hope some one can help as I am a novice

Ron

[Ron HancockParticipant @ronhancock63652]

I forgot to add it has two top feeds to the boiler in 1/4 with clack valves.

One is plumbed to back of loco for the hand pump from tender.

The other is plumbed to the clack valve don't know how to connect to axle pump and injector.

Their is a on of on back of Loco also two on the tender after that I am lost

[Another JohnSParticipant @anotherjohns]

Ron – I think you need to sit down and think about things.

Axle pump – water goes in the bottom, out of the top, one pipe goes to a clack on the boiler, the OTHER one is the one that goes to a valve that allows water to go back into the tender. If THAT "bypass" valve is closed, pumped water goes into the boiler; if it is fully open, water goes back to the tender.

Figure out how to do the axle pump. Remember that:

– Water from the tender to the bottom pump connection is at atmospheric pressure;

– Water from the top is at boiler pressure (plus a bit) so the piping to the bypass valve is at pressure – no plastic piping here!

– Usually, the output from the bypass valve goes down a pipe that ends up somewhere where you can see it, for instance, in the tender under the water filling hatch. ("visual feedback&quot

Hand pump – pressure piping, again.

Injector – steam in one end, water in the bottom, the other end piped to a clack (or two) for water going into the boiler. Generally, one has a water valve to stop water flowing when the injector is not on.

Don't worry overly about the injector right now, get the axle and hand pumps going.

John.

[Ron HancockParticipant @ronhancock63652]

Posted by John Alexander Stewart on 02/01/2016 13:29:34:

Ron – I think you need to sit down and think about things.

Axle pump – water goes in the bottom, out of the top, one pipe goes to a clack on the boiler, the OTHER one is the one that goes to a valve that allows water to go back into the tender. If THAT "bypass" valve is closed, pumped water goes into the boiler; if it is fully open, water goes back to the tender.

Figure out how to do the axle pump. Remember that:

– Water from the tender to the bottom pump connection is at atmospheric pressure;

– Water from the top is at boiler pressure (plus a bit) so the piping to the bypass valve is at pressure – no plastic piping here!

– Usually, the output from the bypass valve goes down a pipe that ends up somewhere where you can see it, for instance, in the tender under the water filling hatch. ("visual feedback"

Hand pump – pressure piping, again.

Injector – steam in one end, water in the bottom, the other end piped to a clack (or two) for water going into the boiler. Generally, one has a water valve to stop water flowing when the injector is not on.

Don't worry overly about the injector right now, get the axle and hand pumps going.

John.

Thank you Alan that will help I also heard from Julian so now think tomorrow i can finally get the Piping finished exited to see the end result.

Thank you again

Ron

[Ron HancockParticipant @ronhancock63652]

Thank you guys you are amazing without like minded guys helping we would never get the knowledge to finish these Loco's

Can't wait to get in the workshop tomorrow and make a start.

Got to wait for the T pieces to be delivered should have been before Xmas hope they are in Monday's post

Ron

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