Bearing out of position – how to correct?

Bearing out of position – how to correct?

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  • #33878
    Mike Hurley
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      @mikehurley60381

      Steam engine conn rod dimension error

      #558103
      Mike Hurley
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        @mikehurley60381

        My 3 x 5 victorian twin steam engine restoration is plodding on, but have come across yet another stumbling block when trying to assemble everything. Due to subtle internal dimesional differences in the two cylinders, (which I should have accounted for but missed!) I found that one conn rod is now a matter of about 4mm too long between bearing centres!

        I can't just re-bore the little end in the new position as that would leave no bearing material at the front. I don't think I can just bore a bigger hole for an oversized pice of PB and re-bore as that would leave little steel support top & bottom. One thought was to sweat in a piece of steel to replace the current PB bearing, then re-bore in the new location for a bearing, But am unsure if this would work.

        It was a huge job making these conn rods out of solid, so have no desire to repeat the exercise! Any suggestion please?

        Dimensions: (mm) overall 250, little end bearing 22 od x 15 bore. 15 deep.

        new_conn rods 5.jpg

        #558105
        Ian Parkin
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          @ianparkin39383

          Cut in half on the rod…. drill a hole down one end ….turn a spigot on the other and sweat together when you have taken out the 4mm

          or drill and tap both sides and join with a stud

          Edited By Ian Parkin on 13/08/2021 13:10:45

          Edited By Ian Parkin on 13/08/2021 13:10:54

          #558109
          JasonB
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            @jasonb

            How difficult is it to alter the length of one of the piston rods or remake a crosshead?

            #558117
            Howard Lewis
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              @howardlewis46836

              If you don't want to cut / weld the rod, could you reclaim the situation by making eccentric bushes at both ends, ie 2 mm shift at each end to get the required 4 mm change?

              Howard

              #558126
              old mart
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                @oldmart

                Howard's suggestion of sharing the rework at both ends would be my choice if there was enough material.

                #558129
                JasonB
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                  @jasonb

                  You say the problem is due to differences in the cylinders.

                  If you start playing with conrod length to try and correct it you will find that the cross head and slippers will be out of position and as was shown on a thread earlier this year an 1/8" change to the conrod length had the crosshead hitting the guide bar supports on another engine, hence why I asked about piston rod or cross head alterations.

                  #558140
                  Mike Hurley
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                    @mikehurley60381

                    Thanks for the feedback guys.

                    JasonB – The piston rod and part of the crosshead are a one-piece forging. I have been trying to retain as much of the original parts as possible, and I've already had to modify the ends where they attach to the pistons as those were completely ruined and had to be re-made, but due to severe wear and missing material I had to modify the connections into the piston which now leaves no room for further change. I do take on board your comments about positioning though.

                    Ian, Had considered this, but my concern here would be re-aligning things after joining as there wouldn't be any room for error as both ends are abviously currently in line, and the tinyest error would stop the smooth running of the mechanism.

                    Howard / mart. : I'll have a look at how feasible that idea is. Cheers

                    regards to all.

                    #558191
                    Paul Kemp
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                      @paulkemp46892

                      I can't remember the make up of your cylinders but can you insert a spacer between the cylinder and trunk guide / support?

                      Paul.

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