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    BOB BLACKSHAW 1
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      I had to mill down 3mm on a piece of steel 15mm x25mm to 12mmx25mm, I used a new Osbourn 15mm end mill on my SX2p mill. I cut .4mm at a time x around 1/3 of the end mill. The results of this was that the action of end mill and machine seemed to make hard work of this, rather noisy it seemed that this was the limit of the machine. I then done another on the lathe, 9×20 using my 4 jaw chuck and it cut  .5mm with ease, it felt a pleasure to do compared with the mill. My question is milling steel on the lathe is this a better option, and would a milling attachment be worth having, what would others on the forum use the mill or lathe for what I was doing with the machines I have.

      Edited By BOB BLACKSHAW on 05/12/2017 10:29:49

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      BOB BLACKSHAW 1
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        #330563
        Mark Rand
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          @markrand96270

          Cut using as much of the length of the endmill as you can, rather than taking shallow cuts. Lots of shallow cuts wear out the edges on the end/corners of the endmill long before you've removed much metal.

          Also, assume that you can remove 1 cubic inch of steel per minute for each horsepower that the motor's got (other unit systems are available ). Adjust your width of cut to take as much of the motor's power as you can, subject to belt slip etc.

          #330564
          Hopper
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            @hopper

            I think a 9×20 is a bigger more solid machine than an X2 mill so will cut more and faster, when used as it was intended. By my experience with a vertical slide on my Drummond lathe is that its very much a "make do" situation and nowhere near as stable as cutting the same metal off by putting the job in the four jaw chuck and facing it off.

            It might be your mill needs a bit of fettling to tighten up gibs etc to cut better.

            #330577
            SillyOldDuffer
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              @sillyoldduffer

              Generally a milling attachment on a lathe will be considerably inferior to a mill for several reasons, most seriously lack of rigidity, less travel and often harder to set-up.

              If a particular job, like facing, can be done on a lathe, I prefer the lathe to a mill. It's because the lathe cuts with a single point tool which is less stressful on the machine. That said there are many, many jobs for which a milling machine is the better option. Not because a mill munches metal faster but because it's often more convenient. Slots, edges, drilling, and holdling awkward work are all easier on a mill than a lathe even if you have to take things slower.

              All things being equal a mill and lathe of the same power will remove metal at the same rate. But things often aren't equal. A milling cutter has long cutting edges on the flutes and the base. The cut isn't concentrated as it is on a lathe with the result that depth-of-cut can't really be compared. Another issue is that milling cutters are more likely to vibrate than a single point tool. The rigidity of the milling machine matters: even if the motor is sufficiently powerful, the mill may not be up to it. Small mills are less rigid than big ones. It's important to reduce the mills tendency to vibrate by making sure the gibs are tight, and – where possible – locked before taking cuts. Also that the cutter is sharp, and the operator isn't too gung-ho.  Make sure swarf is cleared away.

              It sounds as if you're taking a heavyish cut on a small mill that might on the loose side. Depth of cut, rpm, and feed-rate all matter. Some rules of thumb:

              • Clamp and lock everything down firmly. Work, gibs, and slide-locks.
              • Check the tool is sharp. (Gentle rubbing soon ruins milling cutters, even new ones.)
              • For HSS rpm=10000 / cutter diameter in mm will be about right. 10000/15 = 670rpm.
              • Depth of cut 5 – 20% of cutter diameter. On a small mill, I'd try 10% ie. 1.5mm
              • Feed-rate by experiment. On a small mill as fast as you can go without the machine complaining.
              • Lubricate HSS, ideally flood cooling the job when a lot of steel is being removed.

              Don't be surprised if you need to experiment with rpm, depth of cut and feed-rate. It's not always easy to find the combination a mill likes best.

              Dave

               

              Edited By SillyOldDuffer on 05/12/2017 12:13:25

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              JasonB
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                @jasonb

                I would have said the opposite that you are taking off a rather light cut, 0.4mm x 5.0mm does not sound heavy even for a SX2P.

                As Mark says try to use more of the cutters side, you paid for that length of cutter so why just use the end. So take the full 3mm height off in one setting and then vary the amount of cut per pass to what the machine is happiest with try about 4mm to start with.

                This would be a similar cut.

                 

                Edited By JasonB on 05/12/2017 12:24:28

                #330587
                BOB BLACKSHAW 1
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                  @bobblackshaw1

                  Thanks for the replies and the video, its back to basics with me, simple when you know how to do it correctly.

                  #330590
                  SillyOldDuffer
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                    @sillyoldduffer
                    Posted by JasonB on 05/12/2017 12:23:38:

                    I would have said the opposite that you are taking off a rather light cut, 0.4mm x 5.0mm does not sound heavy even for a SX2P.

                    Oops, my bad. When I said "It sounds as if you're taking a heavyish cut on a small mill that might on the loose side", I was referring to the "rather noisy it seemed that this was the limit of the machine" part of Bob's question. Not his information about the cut being only 0.4mm !

                    Apologies for the confusion,

                    Dave

                    #330611
                    colin hawes
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                      @colinhawes85982

                      The lathe is very good at this sort of work, is faster than the mill and uses cheaper tools. I often use the lathe in this way. Colin

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