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  • #241294
    Rainbows
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      @rainbows

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      Well look what I got just now. For context I wanted to buy some taps but they came with a lever action collet closer. Got the collet closer and collet so now I gotta try and work out what the parts fit. So I have no real idea what date of manufacture or source is.

       

      According to this webpage the collet is a Bernerd Multi Size Collet or atleast looks very similar. But then on googling the Multi size collets they look quite different on other webpages.

       

      Can anyone help? I'm sure the inverted C C logo is a recognised by someone.

      Edited By Rainbows on 03/06/2016 17:18:57

      #24578
      Rainbows
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        @rainbows
        #241295
        NJH
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          @njh

          Crawford Collets ? – huge manufacturer of collets.

          Norman

          Edited By NJH on 03/06/2016 17:25:11

          #241296
          Neil Wyatt
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            @neilwyatt

            It looks like a Burnerd multisize collet with the 'leaves' missing to me

            Neil

            #241297
            Rainbows
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              @rainbows
              Posted by NJH on 03/06/2016 17:24:44:

              Crawford Collets ? – huge manufacturer of collets.

              Norman

              Edited By NJH on 03/06/2016 17:25:11

              !!!!!!

              Googled crawford collets

              One of the webpage summaries included Crawford Collet Multibore, multibore would match the multi on the collet. Anyway so thats the T 980 Crawford Plain Bore Multibore collet identified. Thank you very much.

              #241298
              Michael Gilligan
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                @michaelgilligan61133

                The logo identifies it as 'Crawford Collets'

                … it appears to be a clone of similar to the Burnerd, and, as Neil says, the 'leaves' are missing.

                May be worth browsing the pages in my Album.

                MichaelG.

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                Too late [?]

                Edited By Michael Gilligan on 03/06/2016 17:45:48

                #241299
                Anonymous

                  They don't look like the Burnerd multisize collets I've got, however they are from Crawford Collet. Of course I can't load the apposite PDF so here's a link to a relevant page:

                  **LINK**

                  And click on the line that says 'Plain Bore Multibore Collets'.

                  Andrew

                  Edit: I don't think any bits are missing!

                  Edited By Andrew Johnston on 03/06/2016 17:43:46

                  #241301
                  Michael Gilligan
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                    @michaelgilligan61133
                    Posted by Andrew Johnston on 03/06/2016 17:42:37:

                    Edit: I don't think any bits are missing!

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                    You may well be right, Andrew

                    But, I think the drawing at the top of your referenced page shows leaves, which I can't see in the photo.

                    MichaelG.

                    Edited By Michael Gilligan on 03/06/2016 17:52:05

                    #241302
                    Rainbows
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                      @rainbows

                      Anyone know what lathes had a 1 3/4" 6TPI spindle?

                      #241304
                      Anonymous
                        Posted by Michael Gilligan on 03/06/2016 17:48:25:

                        But, I think the drawing at the top of your referenced page shows leaves, which I can't see in the photo.

                        Agreed there seems to be something between the leaves associated with the front 'ring' on the drawing. If I look carefully I'd swear I can see something similar in the first picture in the OP. They're certainly nothing like the full length leaves I have in my Burnerd multisize collets.

                        Andrew

                        #241308
                        Michael Gilligan
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                          @michaelgilligan61133

                          Useful photo on this page

                          **LINK**

                          I'm still not certain, but it looks like there are rubber inserts in the side holes.

                          MichaelG.

                          #241309
                          Phil P
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                            @philp

                            They are called Crawford "Multibore" collets.

                            http://www.workholding.com/Pg26_PlainBoreMuktiboreCollets.pdf

                            Phil

                            #241314
                            Neil Wyatt
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                              @neilwyatt

                              Looks like it is meant to have rubber inserts in the holes, but I can't tell if they are there or not.

                              Neil

                              #241319
                              Michael Gilligan
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                                @michaelgilligan61133
                                Posted by Phil P on 03/06/2016 18:50:20:

                                They are called Crawford "Multibore" collets.

                                http://www.workholding.com/Pg26_PlainBoreMuktiboreCollets.pdf

                                Phil

                                .

                                Phil … Yes, that's the catalogue page that Andrew referenced earlier

                                Do you have any? or a decent photo?

                                MichaelG.

                                #241328
                                Max Tolerance
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                                  @maxtolerance69251

                                  It is a Crawford multisize collet. it is complete as is since these didn't have the "leaves" that Bernard (and others) used.

                                  If the correct collet chuck is with it then no problem it can be used, that particular one will hold between 1/4 and 3/8 as indicated. From the photo it is difficult to say which series of collets it is from since there were five different series, B going through to F the largest went up to 3 1/8 inches but the B series stopped at 1 1/8. All were available in light duty with plain bores (as sample) or heavy duty with serrated bores. They are not interchangeable with Bernard collets since they have a different included angle on the body and various other dimensional differences.

                                  They do turn up occasionally on a certain auction site in round, hexagonal and square bores and I own a full set of all the "B" range however I seldom use them because I find the Bernard type to be superior for my applications and also because my Bernard set has a lever operated chuck rather than the scroll type which I find too slow for repetition work.

                                  #241332
                                  not done it yet
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                                    @notdoneityet

                                     

                                    Anyone know what lathes had a 1 3/4" 6TPI spindle?

                                     

                                     

                                    An easy starter for ten! How about a Raglan for the first reply? May be others.

                                     

                                     

                                     

                                     

                                     

                                     

                                    Edited By Richard Balderson on 03/06/2016 21:23:08

                                    #241335
                                    Michael Gilligan
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                                      @michaelgilligan61133
                                      Posted by Max Tolerance on 03/06/2016 21:08:43:

                                      It is a Crawford multisize collet. it is complete as is since these didn't have the "leaves" …

                                      .

                                      Thanks for the clarification, Max

                                      MichaelG.

                                      #241345
                                      Rainbows
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                                        @rainbows
                                        Posted by Richard Balderson on 03/06/2016 21:21:38:

                                        Anyone know what lathes had a 1 3/4" 6TPI spindle?

                                        An easy starter for ten! How about a Raglan for the first reply? May be others.

                                        Edited By Richard Balderson on 03/06/2016 21:23:08

                                        hhhmmmmmmm? Anyone own a raglan and think this would fit it?

                                        As it stands I really don't need a production collet chuck. Will probably put it on ebay so someone who actually needs one can have it. (The fact I could buy like, atleast two Super adept lathes for the amount these semm to sell for is just a bonus , atleast the taps I bought will be free)

                                        #489519
                                        Mini
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                                          @mini

                                          Crawford Multibore C-series W850 collets in a Burnerd LC15 lever chuck (normaly working with Multisize EC collets)?

                                          I (still learning a lot 5 years autodidact home CNC guy) add my little findings, for reference of those who, like me, where not able to find this bit of information. …and also to be corrected if I'm wrong:

                                          When shopping for Multisize collets, I found from time to time collet sets containing a mix of Burnerd Multisize and something looking to me as Crawford Multibore collets. Before reading in detail this discussion, I ordered some Multibore collets for my new old L15 lever chuck (besides a set of real Multisize EC collets).

                                          After reading this discussion, I searched the Internet for the angles of the collets: 15 degrees for the Multibores (30 degrees included angle) and nothing found for the Multisize collets.

                                          I was not sure if they where really incompatible, and having bought the material I had to try. When the material arrived, I was more careful, when putting the first Multibore collet in the chuck:

                                          – The far end touches of the Multibore collet touches first the cone of the chuck, but with the spring mechanism and pushing very slightly, this looks rather good.

                                          I decided to test to clamp 25 mm bar stock:

                                          – The far end touches first

                                          – Screwing the front nut a bit further and pushing the pivoting ring not very hard by hand, even without the lever of the lever chuck, the collet is able to grip the stock firmly.

                                          Still not beeing sure about any difference in angle between the two collet systems, put a Multibore collet in the Multisize chuck. Leaving the collet empty, I closed the nut enough to make the lowest collet segment adhere to the chuck'ss cone. I put a lever indicator on the carriage to measure the angle difference (using the tangent function).

                                          – There is a difference of about 2 degrees (4 degrees included angle). The Multisize EC collets must have an angle of about 13 degrees (26 include angle).

                                          My temporary conclusion:

                                          – Using Crawford Multibore W850 C-series collets in a Burnerd Multisize chuck (at least the LCxx models) is possible, but probably a bad idea because something bends, possibly badly.

                                          Are there any other collets looking like Multibore collets and matching perfectly the Multisize chucks?

                                          It would be nice to get feedback with your insights.

                                          #489521
                                          Mini
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                                            @mini

                                            …and I forgot to add the image of how I measured the angle difference:

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