How to bore headstock bearing housings?

How to bore headstock bearing housings?

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    Rainbows
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      Been physically separated from this lathe for a month. finally back to it.

      The current housings for the taper roller bearings are badly scored up and didn't have a standard bearing in them originally. I want to have them bored out to 62mm to fit standard metric bearings.

      If it was a simple through hole I would just mount a spindle to the saddle and use that to bore it out but but the two shoulders really complicate things.

      Anyone got any advice on how to do it at home?

      Failing that anyone know a precision engineer who is willing to faff around with model engineering jobs? I saw one local place who had a horizontal borer but they blanked my email.

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      Rainbows
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        #295832
        John Rudd
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          Posted by Rainbows on 01/05/2017 15:21:21:

          The current housings for the taper roller bearings are badly scored up and didn't have a standard bearing in them originally. I want to have them bored out to 62mm to fit standard metric bearings.

          If it was a simple through hole I would just mount a spindle to the saddle and use that to bore it out but but the two shoulders really complicate things.

          Anyone got any advice on how to do it at home?

          Why cant you use a between centres boring bar and just swap it around after boring the first one….? You may need 'handed' cutters to do it? Obviously the boring bar needs to fit through the existing holes in the casting but needs to be rigid enough not to distort..( or is that bend? )

          I think I know how I would do it, but difficult to describe in words….surprise

          Edited By John Rudd on 01/05/2017 15:43:33

          Edited By John Rudd on 01/05/2017 15:45:28

          #295841
          JasonB
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            @jasonb

            What John says. Its easy enough to grind up a tool to square up a shoulder after the main bores have been done

            #295842
            IanT
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              @iant

              Yes, as John says – between centres seems the way to go with this.

              As a suggestion, I might make a special b/c boring bar – the actual 'bar' obviously being slightly smaller than the smallest diameter hole it has to fit through but then I'd add a 'tool holder' (just a piece of round mild steel bored to fit the bar) and Locited to it. This would then hold the actual cutting tool. Maybe overkill but it would mean that I didn't have to drill the actual bar, the tool itself would not be over-extended and I could clamp/adjust it a bit more securely & simply. The tool will need to be slanted to reach beyond the holder and a round HSS tool bit driven out by a (smaller diameter) screw makes for easier adjustment…clearly the work not being moved until both ends are machined​.

              I'm afraid that I do tend to over complicate things (most of my work is one-off – so it's a learning thing) and that might well be the case here but sometimes extra care can be worth the effort. Anyway – just a thought and good luck.

              Regards,

              IanT

              #295858
              Rainbows
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                Gotta see if I can access a big lathe with a tee slotted saddle. Didn't occur to me that I could just flip a between centre type around. The special holder on the bar sounds good too. Would not be a fun part to scrap

                #295935
                Ady1
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                  Stick it on the saddle and use a between centres boring bar, they used to do con rods that way, Drummonds even had a special attachment to help you get the rods straight

                  Going to be fun setting things up though….. you only really get one good shot at it

                  Edit: I would probbly rebuild the headstock with the spindle and then set it up between centres on the saddle

                  Then dismantle and bore

                  GL

                  Edited By Ady1 on 02/05/2017 00:25:37

                  #295956
                  Hopper
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                    Didn't one of Alan Hearsum's articles in a recent MEW address this issue in his rebuild of was it a Myford or Drummond? From memory, he set it up on a vertical mill and dropped a DTI on suitable mount down into first the top hole then the bottom hole to get it all set up true to the spindle both concentrically and vertically, then bored out the top hole with shoulder. Then he flipped the job over and set it all up again, same way, and bored that one out with shoulder. You would have to be very precise with the set up both times in order to achieve the same level of concentricity as a between centres boring bar though.

                    PS, just checked an it was in issue 252 (mislabelled as 251) page 23, he did the above to a Drummond but using a Myford spindle modded to take the taper roller races, in the article "Building a Drummond M from Parts". He did it this way because the holes in the headstock casting to be machined were too high up to be bored between centres while it sat on the T slot cross slide, some thing to keep in mind when looking for a suitable lathe to do the job that way.

                    Edited By Hopper on 02/05/2017 09:17:30

                    #295969
                    Neil Wyatt
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                      Posted by Hopper on 02/05/2017 09:11:26:

                      it was in issue 252 (mislabelled as 251) page 23,

                      You've got to rub it in

                      Neil

                      #295982
                      JasonB
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                        @jasonb

                        You could mount it on angle plates on the cross slide which will mean you won't need such a big lathe, I have done that several times for crankshaft bearings. If you have it front face down that will reduce the height needed quite a lot. Just takes longer to set things up accurately.

                        Edited By JasonB on 02/05/2017 10:10:17

                        #295991
                        Rainbows
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                          @rainbows

                          Know a way to get to a big ole CNC mill with boring heads. Gonna have to ask very nicely but might get them to do it for me.

                          #295994
                          Hopper
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                            Posted by Neil Wyatt on 02/05/2017 09:34:15:

                            Posted by Hopper on 02/05/2017 09:11:26:

                            it was in issue 252 (mislabelled as 251) page 23,

                            You've got to rub it in

                            Neil

                            LOL, I thought of that as I typed it. But I consciously refrained from mentioning the cut out piece in issue 253 to stick over the wrong number on 252(/1), and the lack of cut out piece in issue 254 fill the gap left in 253. Doing you a favour I was, y'see.

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