Boiler Marking/serial number

[David JuppParticipant @davidjupp51506]

Further to the point on steam boats and Pressure Equipment Regulations. I've contacted a Notified Body that works in both Pressure Systems and Recreational Craft (Boats).

They tell me that steam boats up to 24m long are covered by the Recreational Craft Directive, to get an approval under the RCD, it would be expected (checked) that all on board systems comply with relevant directives (including PED).

Presumably larger boats/ships would be governed by the likes of Lloyds Register and their rules.

I'm not trying to suggest anyone is incorrect, just that things may be more complex than it initially appears.

[Andy AshParticipant @andyash24902]

Posted by DMB on 07/06/2016 22:09:13:
Does a CE mark really mean anything? At least one non-EU country exports a lot of dodgy goods to the UK which catch fire or are painted with lead based paint, e.g., so why would they worry about an illegal CE mark if it only acts as a selling aid..?
I suggest that I and any other model engineer could very easily stamp a boiler with home made forgery CE marks, if so inclined.

Edited By DMB on 07/06/2016 22:11:37

There is a lot of confusion about the meaning of CE mark. To a consumer, generally it has the meaning "of Commercial Origin".

The implication for the creator of the goods is the most significant. If the creator is found to be placing the mark inappropriately, then he/she can be legally pursued and stripped of his/her right to place the mark.

Basically anyone is allowed to place a CE mark (unless that right has been formally revoked). Generally non-commercial items should not wish to (nor should) apply one. Its non-placement absolves (to some degree) the creator of responsibility. Consumers should expect to see it on supplied goods, because it indicates that they can (perhaps) hold the creator responsible.

It would not be advisable to place the CE mark unless one had public liability insurance to cover the accountability/responsibility that it implies.

The CE marking has no specific meaning outside of indicating the scope of responsibility, should a problem occur.

This advice applies to any kind of product, not just pressure vessels.

Edited By Andy Ash on 04/01/2022 10:58:41

[Colin HeseltineParticipant @colinheseltine48622]

Where might I find a list of the numbers allocated to clubs which would be stamped on a boiler when tested.

I am trying to trace a number stamped on a 4-4-2 Atlantic Boiler. N 54  80  52

 

Many Thanks,

Colin

[bernard towersParticipant @bernardtowers37738]

If I am correct the club makes up there own series of numbers so you need to go to the club or if not known possibly the FMES.

[Paul KempParticipant @paulkemp46892]

I would guess the N stands for Northern Association of Model Engineers and the 54 is the club identifier which is I believe according to Google is Lancaster and Morecombe society of model engineers.  So you can either contact the club boiler inspectors via the club contact details or the boiler registrar of the Northern Fed for info.  Hopefully If Dusty was correct some years back the 80 52 will identify your boiler.  Good luck.

Paul.

[duncan webster 1Participant @duncanwebster1]

<p style=”text-align: left;”>54 identifies the club, 80 is the working pressure, and 52 means it is the 52nd boiler tested by that club</p>

[Colin HeseltineParticipant @colinheseltine48622]

Thank you for the above info. I am struggling to contact them as no emails working or phone responses so will look for Northern Fed boiler registrar details.

Colin

[Colin HeseltineParticipant @colinheseltine48622]

Making some headway.  Contacted the Northern Federation Boiler Registrar who was able to give me  a certificate number and tell me it had been last tested at Teeside Small Gauge Railway in 2019 (expired 2023).  Now in procees of talking to TSGR to hopefully obtain copy off certficate(s).

Colin

[Colin Heseltine]

On Colin Heseltine Said:

Thank you for the above info. I am struggling to contact them as no emails working or phone responses so will look for Northern Fed boiler registrar details.

Colin

Hi Colin,

If you still need to contact Lancaster & Morecambe ME club they are local to me so I can assist if need be.  The site at Cinderbarrow is not a good place to contact,  I guess you have used the online contact form?  However I do have a personal email for the club secretary and a phone number for the boiler tester. PM me if you need these, they are a little bit old but I can in any event make contact for you.

John

[Colin HeseltineParticipant @colinheseltine48622]

John,

Thanks for the offer but I think I am okay at present.  It had originally been indicated to me that the 54 referred to Lancaster & Morecambe club but the Boiler Registrar has it as Teeside Small Gauge Railway.  I am awaiting a response from their boiler inspector.  If you know a way of getting his number I would appreciate it.

Colin

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