1 Tonne Arbor Press suitability for broaching EN1A

1 Tonne Arbor Press suitability for broaching EN1A

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    John Stevenson 1
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      Posted by Michael Walters on 27/03/2016 17:39:18:

      I have a 1 Tonne arbor press and have no problems broaching metal of any size, You just need to remember to graduate the cut with bigger sizes, the same way a gun barrel was traditionally rifled by shimming the height of the cutter (albeit in a more complex mechanism).

      Often times i use the arbor press to get it started square to the barrel with the appropriate collar, and if i run out of room i place the workpiece in a vice and finish the cut with a hammer, its pretty safe and it works so long as you don't hit like a madman but please dont take that as the gospel.

      Ps. I see the image of the work piece you have kindly loaded, I can see why you would want to keyway that, may i recommend that you actually make that whole shaft square? You either file or broach the female part square and it would absolutely hold fast, it's a bit more difficult but the choice you go with will probably be the most sensible one and easier route of broaching a round shaft.

      Michael W

      Edited By Michael Walters on 27/03/2016 17:42:47

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      How can you get started with a 300mm long broach on a press that only has half of that in workable hight. ?

      Also broaches are precision ground HSS and by virtue of the way they are made with very deep open teeth on the front and two sides the last thing you want to be doing it hitting one with a hammer.

      Rest assured these will not bend but shatter.

      #231979
      JasonB
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        @jasonb

        This thread has another alternative

        #231982
        Michael Gilligan
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          Posted by David Cambridge on 27/03/2016 19:17:20:

          The problem with Michaels Option 2 is that I don’t have a way of drilling longitudinally down the shaft – other than with a hand drill, but I don’t think that would go well.

          I still like pgk pgk’s idea ‘Could you get away with a semicircular top on your key and just mill down the handle?’. The only thing that’s putting me off is that it doesn’t seem to be gaining any momentum on this thread!

          David

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          I think the 'rectangular bottom & semicircular top' would indeed be a good solution.

          +1 from me.

          MichaelG.

          #231983
          JasonB
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            @jasonb

            May not be enough room on the hub but a wedged cotter would work, thousands of bike cranks can't be wrong

            #231985
            Peter Hall
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              @peterhall61789

              You may get away without such a sophisticated approach. I have built an etching press similar to yours, but slightly smaller. A threaded hole through the side of the handle bush for a screw, bearing on a flat filed on the roller shaft worked for me. I have used and serviced commercially-built presses for my local printmaking studio, and although they seem to be engineered to survive a nuclear assault, I'm not sure that a keyed shaft is really necessary. It is, however, a more elegant solution than mine, so I can understand why you would want to go that way. Good luck with it anyway.

              Pete

              #231986
              Simon Williams 3
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                David –

                Where are you ion the planet? If anywhere near west Gloucestershire, (UK) I've got a small(ish) slotter in my shed for exactly this job.

                Alternatively I've likely got a keyway broach to suit, and certainly a hydraulic press. It'll take longer to boil the kettle and make a cup of tea than do the job.

                If you want to take this further, I think all you do is press the "message member" button, we can exchange locations and see how to proceed.

                Best rgds Simon

                #231993
                MW
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                  @mw27036

                   

                  "How can you get started with a 300mm long broach on a press that only has half of that in workable hight. ?

                  Also broaches are precision ground HSS and by virtue of the way they are made with very deep open teeth on the front and two sides the last thing you want to be doing it hitting one with a hammer.

                  Rest assured these will not bend but shatter."

                   

                   

                   

                  Oh well, it works for me.

                  Edited By Michael Walters on 27/03/2016 21:02:27

                  #231994
                  Ed Duffner
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                    @edduffner79357

                    Here's another idea, just my beginner's input.

                    **LINK**

                    Ed.

                    #231995
                    Mark C
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                      @markc

                      I just finished 4 off pulleys on my 3 tonne press that were 38mm thick with a 6mm key for a 19mm motor shaft. Apart from doing the odd bit of monkey hanging due to getting the broach cocked they go through well with some good cutting fluid (Ambersil Tuff Cut).

                      Three passes, no shim, 1 shim and then 2 shims to finish. Using C type broach (300mm long?)

                      look at ebay number 161976203311 for the type of press I have

                      Mark

                      #232004
                      David Cambridge
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                        @davidcambridge45658

                        So in the end I went for the 'rectangular bottom & semicircular top' option. Photo below.

                        I was going to make the ‘semicircular’ top next – but thinking about it, is there anything wrong with some sort of grub screw to hold the key in place ?

                        Anyway, thank you again for all the help, and thank you Simon. That was a very kind offer but it looks like I’ve got a work around.

                        David

                        half moon key.jpg

                        #232005
                        Michael Gilligan
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                          @michaelgilligan61133

                          Looking good so-far, David.

                          yes

                          MichaelG.

                          #232006
                          Anonymous

                            To answer the OP, probably not. I've broached 3/32" and 1/8" keyways through 1.5" of EN1A and 1" of cast iron respectively, using the quill on the Bridgeport mill. But there's no way it would have driven a 6mm broach through steel. I now have a proper arbor press, for scale it's about 20" high:

                            arbor_press_sized.jpg

                            Andrew

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