Angled d-bit / machinist reamer?

Angled d-bit / machinist reamer?

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    Fulmen
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      @fulmen

      I’m trying to find a bit of info on homemade reamers. Specifically I need a precise 3mm hole in brass, and I do have some 3mm silver steel. Isn’t it possible to use a rod cut at an angle as a diy reamer? I’ve tried googling for this but I’m struggling to find any good sources. Maybe I’m using the wrong term?

      #868491
      JasonB
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        @jasonb

        I have done it in the past. Cut at about 20deg so you have a long slanting cut surface. Harden and then rub on a stone or diamond slip to get a nice crisp edge and feed it into a slightly undersized hole at slow speed or turning by hand.

        #868493
        Roger B
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          @rogerb61624

          I know these as toolmakers reamers and like Jason have used them in special cases. The angled type seem easier than trying to get the flat ‘exactly’ on the centre line as in a D bit.

          #868494
          Fulmen
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            @fulmen

            Yup, that’s what I’m talking about. I just tried making one and eyeballed the angle to 25°. I’m sure it’s going to cut, but there must be some page discussing these in more detail somewhere, right?

            #868512
            Andy Stopford
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              @andystopford50521

              There isn’t much to add to what Jason said, watch out for the tip curling over during the hardening process, stone it off if it does.

              They work well, but tend to make the hole over-size (though that may just be operator error).

              #868515
              Roger B
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                @rogerb61624

                Reamers will produce oversize and tapered holes unless they are allowed the freedom of a floating reamer holder or the tailstock is aligned to better than one tenth of the precision required.

                #868519
                Fulmen
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                  @fulmen

                  Well of course it’s not going to be perfect, I’m not expecting or demanding miracles. And it needs to be a little bit oversized as the hole if for a pin from the same stock and needs to be a sliding fit.

                  “Toolmakers reamer” did return a few useful hits, but nothing really comprehensive.

                  https://www.hobby-machinist.com/threads/toolmakers-reamer.100016/
                  https://www.practicalmachinist.com/forum/threads/how-do-you-make-a-d-bit.225698/#post1576353
                  https://www.homemodelenginemachinist.com/threads/diy-reamers.4142/

                   

                  The last link provided this image, and the #2 looks interesting but I can’t really see exactly how the relief is placed.

                  Reamers.gif

                  #868522
                  JasonB
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                    @jasonb

                    If you make your reamer on the end of a 330mm length of silver steel there will be enough flex in the 3mm dia for it to align itself, floating or not.

                    Most commonly available reamers being H7 or H8 are a plus size tolerance so I would expect them to be over nominal.

                    #868535
                    John Haine
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                      @johnhaine32865

                      IIRC I read about these in one of Lautard’s books where he calls them whistle reamers. I think also he recommended stoning a small relief on the back of the point to guide it into the hole. I have made one but can’t remember what for or if it worked – I think it must have done since it’s still in the drawer, wasn’t chucked in the scrap bin in disgust!

                      #868538
                      Bazyle
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                        @bazyle

                        After thinking a bit about this I am attempting to analyse how it works. Lets assume the flat face is upwards in case it aids the description of operation. The flat face width starts small increases to the rod diameter and then decreases, with that peak being at half way up.
                        As the reamer enters the hole the tip is not cutting just guiding and as the hole is undersize the reamer is being pushed upwards. It starts to cut as the width of the flat face matches the undersize hole diameter not at its max design width -almost- but because it is pushed upwards it is contacting above centreline and therefore narrower width. Also the cutting edge has negative rake.
                        Even though the hole is being enlarged the tool remains above centreline because the tip is still resting in the pilot hole and therefore the bottom of the tool is in mid air. At some point the full width section has to get into the hole despite the tip still being above centreline.

                        At this point my imagination is getting a bit strained about what happens. It does however explain why some people suggest boring the start section of a hole to be reamed.

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