Warco WM180 4 way tool post

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    Andy Brocklehurst
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      Evening all,

      Id like to make my wm180 a little more rigid, I know a lot of people remove the compound slide when adding a qctp for extra rigidity. I never use the CS so haven’t got a  problem with removing it, I would however like to keep the original 4 way tool post. I’ve got a lump of cast I could utilise to replace the CS but the spigot on top of the CS which the 4way sits on it is posing a problem, I’m struggling to find a way of incorporating it into the cast block? Any suggestions?

      thank you.

      #866294
      JasonB
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        @jasonb

        I would have thought you could hold the block in the 4-jaw and turn a spigot on the end. At the same time drill the end for a suitable stud to take the toolposts nut.

        Alternative would be to put a bigger hole into the top of the block and incorporate the spigot as a larger diameter section of the stud

        A picture would help.

        #866297
        Andy Stopford
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          @andystopford50521

          Both Jason’s suggestions would work on the WM180. I would suggest going for the separate spigot idea since the fixed one is a nuisance if you did want to use a quick change toolpost at some stage.

          #866300
          Andy Brocklehurst
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            @andybrocklehurst85292
            On JasonB Said:

            I would have thought you could hold the block in the 4-jaw and turn a spigot on the end. At the same time drill the end for a suitable stud to take the toolposts nut.

            Alternative would be to put a bigger hole into the top of the block and incorporate the spigot as a larger diameter section of the stud

            A picture would help.IMG_2835

             

            #866301
            Journeyman
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              @journeyman

              Have a look here Journeyman’s Workshop has info on fitting 4-way toolpost to a WM250. Also includes a crossslide toolpost and mods for new mounting stud. There are a couple of pages I appreciate that the WM180 is a bit smaller but the ideas are the same. A quick glance may help with some ideas towards doing what you want.

              John

              #866304
              Andy Brocklehurst
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                @andybrocklehurst85292
                On Andy Stopford Said:

                Both Jason’s suggestions would work on the WM180. I would suggest going for the separate spigot idea since the fixed one is a nuisance if you did want to use a quick change toolpost at some stage.

                Thanks Andy, the only reason I’m keeping the 4 way is because I was given 4 of them. For what bit I do it’s not a big deal to change them and can’t warrant the cost of changing everything over.

                #866305
                Andy Brocklehurst
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                  @andybrocklehurst85292
                  On Journeyman Said:

                  Have a look here Journeyman’s Workshop has info on fitting 4-way toolpost to a WM250. Also includes a crossslide toolpost and mods for new mounting stud. There are a couple of pages I appreciate that the WM180 is a bit smaller but the ideas are the same. A quick glance may help with some ideas towards doing what you want.

                  John

                  Thanks John, that is helpful.

                  #866306
                  Phil S
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                    @phils66830

                    Prior to this change might I suggest a little experiment. Attach a dial gauge indicator to the bed with the stylus vertical on the corner of the compound slide where the tool is usually positioned. Apply a downward load to the corner and note the deflection. Repeat with the stylus on top of the chuck again applying a downward load to the chuck. The first value should be very small, I get less than 2 microns. For the second I get 15 microns for an estimated 5-10 kg load. If your first value is not very small try with tighter gib settings. If things are in good order the weak point is the spindle stiffness rather than the slides.

                    Also worth applying an upward load to the chuck. Deflection should be similar to the downward, if more, the headstock bearings may need tightening. I found significant slack had developed with a few years use from new.

                     

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