Issues with water based household wood varnishes

Issues with water based household wood varnishes

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    Greensands
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      @greensands

      I can’t seem to get one with these water based wood varnishes marketed by Ronseal and similar sold in typically 250ml containers at around £12 a hit from a highstreet shop. The problem as I see it is that whereas in the ‘good old days” a white spirit based varnish would be rapidly absorbed in a suitably prepared wood base leaving a nice even finish,  with the current water based varnish it is all too easy to end up with unsightly runs which if allowed to dry out disfigure the end result. I willing accrpt that this all comes down to technique but it was so much easier with the old spirit based systems. I would be interested to other people’s views.

      #821719
      Richard Simpson
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        @richardsimpson88330

        I used the Ronseal water based diamond hard floor varnish on two Roebuck steel framed work benches with beech ply tops.  The varnish is very disappointing and any liquid that is spilt onto the worktop immediately soaks straight through the varnish and stains the wood.  I gave them two coats.  I threw the varnish away and now only use solvent based varnish again.  Invariably they take a lot of finding and cost a fortune to ship but at least I know the wood is suitably protected.

        Sometimes they don’t even label the varnish as water based nowadays, you have to read the instructions to discover that brushes can be washed with water to identify them as such.

        #821721
        Martin of Wick
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          @martinofwick

          It is very likely technique.

          What works for me is lots if very thin coats, so by thin I mean just wetting the surface, brush out, minimal brushstrokes and no overworking. Waterbase dries very fast, so within an hour in room temp conditions you can get the next coat on when it has tacked.

          This works well if you have a large-ish job as you can work your way around, by the time you get back to the start, it is ready for another coat. For small jobs just wrap the brush in cling film between coats, go do the shopping, get paper etc, by the time you are back you put on the next thin coat, so on ad infinitum. Usually a minimum of three coats depending on finish required.

          One issue I have found that as you add more coats ie 3+, the finish starts to look increasingly ‘plasticky’ and can give a rather odd look to vintage furniture if you are not careful.

          Bear in mind with the old stuff you had to allow 8 to 12 hours, before putting the next coat on, which tended to encourage a ‘one (thick) coat wonder’ mentality! Now you can get multiple coats on in a few hours, but expect to spend more time on the job.

          #821731
          peak4
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            @peak4

            When we retired to Buxton, I had a garage built including a car pit.
            For the pit cover boards I picked up some second hand wood flooring from a Nottingham lace factory, planed it down and varnished it with the extra tough floor varnish from Finney’s near Chesterfield.
            It works well, and even long term oil patches just wipe off.
            No connection other than as a satisfied customer, who was put on to them by a painter/decorator friend.

            https://finneyswoodfinishes.co.uk/

            They also have several educational videos available from the above web site.

            Bill

            #821736
            Colin Bishop
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              @colinbishop34627

              You can still get solvent based polyurethane varnishes.

              https://www.rustins.ltd/rustins/our-products/indoor/polyurethane-clear-varnish

              Ronseal Ultra Tough Wood Varnish

              Blackfriar also sell similar varnishes.

              These are marketed as for interior use as they do not contain UV inhibitors which would otherwise give the finish a slightly yellow cast.

              Exterior solvent based clear varnish with UV protection is a bit harder to find but Blackfriar has an example:

              https://www.brewers.co.uk/product/HC1017R

              Colin

               

              #821738
              Mark Easingwood
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                @markeasingwood33578

                The first coat of water based varnish will always raise  the grain of bare wood and will need to be rubbed down, Several coats in a day, 2-4,  are quite achievable.

                I like the Manns Heavy Duty floor varnish, (only available HERE), and have varnished a good few shop fittings in Birch Ply with it. It seems hard wearing. POLYVINE is another good brand to use.

                I like Rustins Danish Oil, as well.

                Mark.

                Edit- The Manns varnish is a water based Polyurethane.

                #821749
                JasonB
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                  @jasonb

                  As Mark says the first raises the grain so needs flatting back down and the second less so.

                  I have used waterbased fllor varnish for years, originally “Aquacote” as suggested by one of the authors in Furniture & Cabinet making mag then when that disappeared I went to Smith & Rogers version or Bona. I have also used Dulux Diamond varnish. Paint is all waterbased these days too which I get on with OK.

                  For flat surfaces I tend to use a paint pad rather than a brush as it does not produce as many small bubbles in the surface. As it is not as viscous as the old poly varish you can’t slap it on and expect it not to run so if you can lay the item flat do so.

                  As for oil I now use the Osmo rather than Rustins. But the waterbase I find better on light woods like maple as it does not alter the colour

                  Few jobs, first is the Dulux diamond others Aquacote or S&R, last Bona Mega

                   

                   

                   

                  #821855
                  Trevor Drabble 1
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                    @trevordrabble1

                    In such situations I find the application of a good quality sanding sealer very beneficial .

                    #821856
                    Trevor Drabble 1
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                      @trevordrabble1

                      Sorry , I should have said , applied prior to the application of the varnish . DURR !

                      #822173
                      Mike Hurley
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                        @mikehurley60381

                        Why not consider solvent based yacht varnish? Easily obtained from Screwfix etc

                        Very tough, scratch resistant etc etc and seems reasonably priced

                        Mike

                        #822178
                        blowlamp
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                          @blowlamp

                          I’m in the process of refinishing the handrails of our staircase and I’m going with shellac as it’s easy to apply and maintain.

                           

                          Martin.

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