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  • #407313
    Ian Usmar
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      @ianusmar79339

      I have a sump plug which has a square head which I am trying to remove. I have managed to snap a drop forged spanner already can anyone suggest what I could use. I cannot start the engine at present so have not tried a hot removal as yet. Its what type of spanner would be best ?

      #26586
      Ian Usmar
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        @ianusmar79339
        #407318
        not done it yet
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          @notdoneityet

          The size of square head would be helpful?

          #407319
          Colin Heseltine
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            @colinheseltine48622

            I would suggest one of the specific sump plug wrenches that has a square hole in the end of the casting. There is usually two different sizes moulded in (one each side). The wrenches are heavy enough to be able to apply an amount of judicious hammer force to free the sump plug. Is it a steel or aluminium sump. If steel be careful the threaded part in the sump does not tear out.

            Colin

            #407329
            J Hancock
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              @jhancock95746

              Agree with last post, if it is so tight it may very well rip the sump pan before becoming loose.

              Proceed with care.

              #407332
              Michael Gilligan
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                @michaelgilligan61133
                Posted by J Hancock on 01/05/2019 12:25:03:

                Agree with last post, if it is so tight it may very well rip the sump pan before becoming loose.

                Proceed with care.

                .

                +1 for that ^^^

                Did you fit the sump plug ?

                … If not, do beware that someone may have done something silly !!

                MichaelG.

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                [ pleasantly surprised to see no snide comments about relevance ]

                Edited By Michael Gilligan on 01/05/2019 12:54:44

                #407333
                Clive Hartland
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                  @clivehartland94829

                  Rather than remove a hard to remove sump plug buy one of thos 'Sucker' type oil removers, not expensive.

                  Stick the probe down the oil dipstick hole to pull the oil.

                  #407335
                  Ian P
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                    @ianp

                    Snap a spanner, wow!

                    If it was drop forged or made by any other method, snapping a spanner is not an easy thing to do. Without knowing details I would speculate that it must have fitted the sump plug very firmly and that you used an extension to the spanner length (or be very strong).

                    Ian P

                    #407362
                    Brian Wood
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                      @brianwood45127

                      Ian

                      I have in the past in a similar case gripped the square in the jaws of a small vice with a short bar for leverage and used that combination to work it out of the sump.

                      Try a touch of tightening first to break the grip of the thread and then quickly follow up with the normal unscrewing. Soaking the thread joint with easing oil is a good prerequisite

                      I hope that helps

                      Brian

                      #407363
                      KWIL
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                        @kwil

                        Depends on the size of square, but a Bi Hex socket of the correct size should be OK.

                        #407367
                        vintage engineer
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                          @vintageengineer

                          Probably a Snap-on spanner!

                          Posted by Ian P on 01/05/2019 13:32:03:

                          Snap a spanner, wow!

                          If it was drop forged or made by any other method, snapping a spanner is not an easy thing to do. Without knowing details I would speculate that it must have fitted the sump plug very firmly and that you used an extension to the spanner length (or be very strong).

                          Ian P

                          #407368
                          Martin Cargill
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                            @martincargill50290

                            Make sure your turning it the right way. A friend once tore the threads out of a motorbike sump because he didn't think about which way he needed to turn it to loosen the plug…….

                            #407376
                            Dave Halford
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                              @davehalford22513

                              I would suggest the spanner was already damaged, those square head bolts are not normally that tough.

                              If this engine has not run for many years it's possible mineral oil has set like glue on the threads, or some fool used a Loctite product that he shouldn't have.

                              Either way heat may be the answer, that means a blowtorch and not oxy.

                              #407377
                              Georgineer
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                                @georgineer
                                Posted by Ian Usmar on 01/05/2019 11:12:02:

                                … have not tried a hot removal as yet. …

                                Assuming you have no fuel leaks I can't think of any reason why you shouldn't apply local heat to it. Even if the oil starts to boil locally, it would take an awful lot of heat to cause any danger of ignition.

                                George

                                #407387
                                Samsaranda
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                                  @samsaranda

                                  It’s not that difficult to snap a spanner, recently snapped an 8 mm open end spanner whilst undoing a very tight drawbar, the drawbar had been in place for a long time so was well and truly stuck. The spanner wasn’t a cheapie but definitely went with a bang when it went and I did have some force applied at the time.

                                  Dave W

                                  #407391
                                  bill ellis
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                                    @billellis45274

                                    I managed to get a very stuck square sump plug out with a large Stillson pipe wrench (about 30" long). On the big ones they have quite deep teeth to grip a pipe, set it across the diagonal (not on the flats) so that the corners of the plug fall between the teeth of the jaws. As you apply pressure they grip even tighter and the length gives loads of leverage. As others have said, apply some heat first to help break the accumulated crud.

                                    #407428
                                    Hopper
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                                      @hopper

                                      Further info on what the sump plug is screwed into, size etc is really needed before any specific plan could be made.

                                      But generally speaking, if the plug is in that tight there is a good chance it could do some damage to the thread in the sump when removed, so I would avoid removing it if at all possible. EG, if it's screwed into the aluminium crankcase of an old motorbike, leave well alone. They are notorious for bringing the alloy thread out with them and can't easily be repaired without stripping the whole engine.

                                      If it simply must be removed, heating the female threaded boss with a propane torch would be my next step. then a good box wrench with a bit of impact applied to it, or even better an impact gun, to jar it loose. Giving the plug a couple of good whacks with a hammer and drift beforehand might help jar it loose too.

                                      #407435
                                      clogs
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                                        @clogs

                                        dont worry for £20 squids u can get a vacumn oil drainer kit from the bay of FLEAS…….

                                        I use it for draining engines in boats, (mostley unable to get at the sump plug, even if u can get a catch tray under the engine)….

                                        and for the same job on some mower's where the sump plug is underneath the tray in amogst all the crap ……

                                        it will take out cold engine oil but it's easier if the oil is warm…..

                                        clogs

                                        #407439
                                        Clive Hartland
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                                          @clivehartland94829

                                          Oooh, pinched my idea you did!

                                          Clive

                                          #407453
                                          Don Cox
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                                            @doncox80133

                                            I watched a salesman demonstrate a "sump sucker" whilst working in my retirement job as a workshop technician at a local FE college. He emptied the sump, via the dipstick hole, on one of our practice cars, a Maestro, the following day I removed the sump plug and drained a further half litre of very dirty oil. It all depends where the dipstick is in relation to the sump lowest point I suppose. Buy a recent Beemer and you won't even get a dipstick now.

                                            #407466
                                            Andrew Evans
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                                              @andrewevans67134

                                              Is it an alloy or CI sump?

                                              #407467
                                              Dave Halford
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                                                @davehalford22513

                                                Sump suckers are blocked by windage trays I wouldnt use one on a decent engine. Very good for leaving gearbox metal in the sump of A series motors.

                                                Edited By Dave Halford on 02/05/2019 11:08:10

                                                #407470
                                                John MC
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                                                  @johnmc39344

                                                  This is one of those jobs that really needs to be done properly. That is to say most likely a sump off job. What engine is it?

                                                  I too have seen what "sump suckers" leave behind. Nothing beats a sump plug in the right place with a magnet in the plug and a hot engine for a proper drain.

                                                  John

                                                  #407476
                                                  Howard Lewis
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                                                    @howardlewis46836

                                                    +1 for warming the area around the Female thread, and then ideally, using a square socket type spanner, give it a jolt with a copper/hide mallet or hammer. Or perhaps a socket on an Impact Driver. The combined effect of longitudinal and rotational forces may just do the trick!

                                                    Before heating, it may be worth applying some penetrating oil, and leaving for a day to see if that will help, and then start warming the sunp.

                                                    Years ago, a friend tore the female thread out of his steel sump. Fortunately, the plug was intact, and 1/2 UNF. We cleaned up the face and brazed a 1/2 UNF nut onto the face of the sump.

                                                    If you get really desperate, you may have to start drilling out the plug. Sometimes after a while the plug will collapse enough to slacken its grip, plus possibly the effect of the heat, to allow it tom be removed. DON'T use Easyouts!

                                                    You may end up drilling out most of th thread, and then cleaning up with a tap.

                                                    Howard

                                                    Howard

                                                    #407511
                                                    John Duncker 1
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                                                      @johnduncker1

                                                      Heat and an impact wrench are the answer to almost all stuck nuts bolts and plugs. My tools of choice were a gas axe with the largest nozzle and a air driven wrench using the black hex sockets and yes they do make black HD sockets for square head bolts.

                                                      sockets for square heads

                                                      If it is an ali sump be a tad cautious with the heat.

                                                      AND have a fire extinquisher to hand as it is possible to set the sump oil on fire. Ask me how I know this.

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