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  • #318217
    Andy Beckett
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      @andybeckett68581

      Hi All, I'm after a Myford Super 7 lathe for my home workshop but it seems so difficult to get hold of a decent machine without having to spend silly money on a company refurbished one. There are numbers on eBay but descriptions are vague, I found what appeared to be a good one in London but it transpired it couldn't be seen running.

      #18666
      Andy Beckett
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        @andybeckett68581
        #318376
        Thor 🇳🇴
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          @thor

          Hi Andy,

          Why not consider a Boxford? There was a discussion here.

          Thor

          #318411
          Tim Stevens
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            @timstevens64731

            Whatever the reason is, you seek a Myford. Lots of others are also doing this, for their own reasons. So, demand is up, supply is down, and guess what, the prices rise. Its supposed to be the best system we have yet tried …

            Cheers, Tim

            #318433
            Andy Beckett
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              @andybeckett68581

              Thanks Tim, Thor, I have considered a Boxford, my friend who owns an engineering company 'Prestige' recommend that make as well. However my workshop is 10' x 8' external so I have to be a bit sensible and the size and feature of the Myford make it ideal.

              #318438
              SillyOldDuffer
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                @sillyoldduffer
                Posted by Andy Beckett on 24/09/2017 17:55:56:

                and the size and feature of the Myford make it ideal.

                 

                For persons of limited means the combination of size, quality, features and cost made Myford the premier choice for decades. The design hit a sweet spot, which is why Myford have such as good reputation. Despite being even better Boxford made less impact in the hobby market because they were quite a lot more expensive; most people simply couldn't afford one, or any of the other 'quality' makers.

                Time marches on. Myford no longer make lathes and there are alternatives, new and second-hand. Is there a particular reason why your lathe has to be a Myford? I ask because I had a bad experience trying to buy one once. The trauma put me off metalwork for years, and then I found an off-the-shelf Chinese would have been fine for my purposes!

                Dave

                Edited By SillyOldDuffer on 24/09/2017 18:39:05

                #318441
                Andy Beckett
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                  @andybeckett68581

                  I'll be honest with you, I want a hobby lathe for airgun work, not on a great scale but I want something that'll last, my friend recommended a Myford or British made machine.

                  I've been looking at the Warco GH550 Gear Head Lathe as well which will of course be new.

                  I'm not totally fussed about the make or origin as long as it has capacity to turn 30mm centre, I'm nit snobby over it, I just want it to last.

                  I'll need to brush up on my skills with it too, it's been many years since metalwork at school!

                  #318442
                  Alfie Peacock
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                    @alfiepeacock58331

                     I to looked at a Myford but it had so much wear on the bed I left it alone. My Chinese lathe after some sorting out is very accurate, adjusting the head has made the machine .002mm over 200mm, actually I think its spot on, this has been done with out using a centre when using 30mm aluminium bar. I'm very pleased with the machine, I think Myford has some sort of must have with a new starter.

                    Edited By Alfie Peacock on 24/09/2017 19:02:12

                    #318445
                    SillyOldDuffer
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                      @sillyoldduffer
                      Posted by Andy Beckett on 24/09/2017 18:59:02:

                      I'll be honest with you, I want a hobby lathe for airgun work, not on a great scale but I want something that'll last, my friend recommended a Myford or British made machine.

                      I've been looking at the Warco GH550 Gear Head Lathe as well which will of course be new.

                      I'm not totally fussed about the make or origin as long as it has capacity to turn 30mm centre, I'm nit snobby over it, I just want it to last.

                      I'll need to brush up on my skills with it too, it's been many years since metalwork at school!

                      Hi Andy,

                      Yes, you can't go wrong recommending Myford, except they are of course second-hand and – in my opinion – overpriced. Buyer beware.

                      I've not seen a GH550 in the flesh but its a potent beast. Bigger than a Myford, which is a 'good' thing if you can fit it in.

                      Lathes are good for turning round things. If you're into airguns, I guess a milling machine might be even more useful. (Perhaps someone into guns could comment?)

                      And owning both machines is really good fun.

                      Dave

                      #318468
                      Oldiron
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                        @oldiron

                        Hi Andy Beckett. My workshop is around about 9 x 9. and I have a Boxford AUD lathe, 2 bench top mills a pillar drill, belt sander grinder etc in mine. OHHH plus mig welder & 1/2 size welding cylinders I have a 18" x 30" island unit on wheels that I can move around to what ever side of the shop I am not using. So don't think that a Boxford takes up any more space than a Myford. My Boxford AUD is 17" x 43" x 46" high.

                        regards

                        #318472
                        Andy Beckett
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                          @andybeckett68581

                          What a fantastic response from the forum members, I couldn't have asked for more seeing as my requirements are slightly off subject.

                          I'll be mainly machining Delrin rod up to 30mm, brass and steel and I might need to thread to 1/2 UNF.

                          Again your help is very much appreciated.

                          #318475
                          Ian Skeldon 2
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                            @ianskeldon2

                            Hi Andy,

                            I'm guessing that your known as palmanda on an airgun forum? I am known as what barn door on the same forum. A good sized Chinese lathe will do everything your likely to need, I have a Chester DB 10 Super which works out pretty well. If I am honest I would have preferred something bigger, heavier and British but the price for such a lathe is pretty steep.

                            I will shortly be selling a ML7 which can be seen running and checked over before anyone commits to buying it, not for sale yet as one of the oil drip feed pots leaks slightly and I want to replace that and the oil nipples before offering it for sale, it has a 3 phase motor and a Lenze variable frequency controller, bernered 3 and 4 jaw and myford milling attachment, I will be asking £550 for it, but it's not a super and I live miles away from you. Try to check out a Warco if you can.

                            #318476
                            Andy Beckett
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                              @andybeckett68581
                              Posted by Ian Skeldon 2 on 24/09/2017 20:31:41:

                              Hi Andy,

                              I'm guessing that your known as palmanda on an airgun forum? I am known as what barn door on the same forum. A good sized Chinese lathe will do everything your likely to need, I have a Chester DB 10 Super which works out pretty well. If I am honest I would have preferred something bigger, heavier and British but the price for such a lathe is pretty steep.

                              I will shortly be selling a ML7 which can be seen running and checked over before anyone commits to buying it, not for sale yet as one of the oil drip feed pots leaks slightly and I want to replace that and the oil nipples before offering it for sale, it has a 3 phase motor and a Lenze variable frequency controller, bernered 3 and 4 jaw and myford milling attachment, I will be asking £550 for it, but it's not a super and I live miles away from you. Try to check out a Warco if you can.

                              Hi Buddy, no my username on AGF is 'Blackmax', just popped a post up there about this very subject. Where are you located?

                              #318477
                              Andy Beckett
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                                @andybeckett68581

                                Hi Ian, PM'd you on AGF and sent a friends request.

                                Thanks

                                Andy

                                #319280
                                Nick Hulme
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                                  @nickhulme30114
                                  Posted by Andy Beckett on 24/09/2017 20:18:43

                                  I'll be mainly machining Delrin rod up to 30mm, brass and steel and I might need to thread to 1/2 UNF.

                                  30mm through capacity will make your silencer/moderator related manufacturing a much more pleasant process, add a spider/cat-head for the back and things get even better,

                                  – Nick

                                  #319288
                                  lug lord
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                                    @luglord

                                    I just dropped lucky and purchased a super 7 from ebay that was only down the road from where i live

                                    #319301
                                    Andy Beckett
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                                      @andybeckett68581

                                      Thanks Nick, I'm now erring towards a Boxford or Warco direct drive.

                                      Posted by Nick Hulme on 29/09/2017 19:08:15:

                                      Posted by Andy Beckett on 24/09/2017 20:18:43

                                      I'll be mainly machining Delrin rod up to 30mm, brass and steel and I might need to thread to 1/2 UNF.

                                      30mm through capacity will make your silencer/moderator related manufacturing a much more pleasant process, add a spider/cat-head for the back and things get even better,

                                      – Nick

                                      #319309
                                      Mike Poole
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                                        @mikepoole82104

                                        A new Myford is still available but you will need deep pockets. One of the things that made the Myford an attractive machine was the accessories available to do milling, taper turning, dividing and repetition tasks. These days many people will afford a milling machine to go with their lathe so the one machine workshop is a thing of the past for most people. The imported machine do not compete with Myford for accessories and quality of finish but they are accurate machines and fantastic value for money. For the price of a new Myford you can buy a lathe and a mill and tool them. I bought a Myford in good condition and for a while it was my only machine but I bought a VMC mill at my first opportunity and a Meddings drill. The Myford is a very lightly built lathe and it is a tribute that they have done many jobs that really are too big for them. I had a yen for a Myford from my mid teens but it took me thirty years to finally get one but that was because a very nice one came up at the right price, an import was also in the frame at the time and things could easily have gone the Warco way.

                                        You will almost certainly pay a premium price for a good Myford and a good one is a pleasant machine to use. Money is the limits factor for most people but the thick end of £10,000 will buy a new Myford and a few hundred will buy one that will almost certainly need more money spent to make a decent machine.

                                        Mike

                                        Edited By Mike Poole on 29/09/2017 23:26:07

                                        #319315
                                        Speedy Builder5
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                                          @speedybuilder5

                                          Whichever way you go regarding makes etc, consider Metric or Imperial and that it suits your needs. 1/2" UNF is 20 tpi . Most imperial lathes can cut 20 tpi, You may need some conversion gears to cut 20 tpi on a metric lathe.
                                          BobH

                                          #319565
                                          Howard Lewis
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                                            @howardlewis46836

                                            If you need a 30mm throughway in the mandrel, (have I misread previous posts?)will a Myford, even a late 4MT one be capable?

                                            My shop is 10'9" x 6'9" external on 50mm framing, and inside is a ETR BL12/24 (a lookalike of a Warco BH600 or Chester Craftsman. This has a 5MT mandrel giving a 38mm throughway.. No doubt later successors can provide similar facilities.) There are other things in there as well. Congested was one description!

                                            The Bl12/24 with a VFD worked out at a quarter of the cost of a Myford Super Sigma with its 4MT mandrel, (which is what I originally envisaged) and is heavier, more rigid machine.

                                            Howard

                                            #319587
                                            David Standing 1
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                                              @davidstanding1
                                              Posted by Howard Lewis on 01/10/2017 19:02:05:

                                              If you need a 30mm throughway in the mandrel, (have I misread previous posts?)will a Myford, even a late 4MT one be capable?

                                              Howard

                                              Nope! The 4MT Myford spindles (S7 big bore, and 254) are only bored 26mm smiley

                                              #319599
                                              Nick_G
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                                                @nick_g
                                                Posted by David Standing 1 on 01/10/2017 21:05:26:

                                                Posted by Howard Lewis on 01/10/2017 19:02:05:

                                                If you need a 30mm throughway in the mandrel, (have I misread previous posts?)will a Myford, even a late 4MT one be capable?

                                                Howard

                                                Nope! The 4MT Myford spindles (S7 big bore, and 254) are only bored 26mm smiley

                                                .

                                                A Boxford X10 series lathe has a 35mm spindle bore.

                                                But people are asking (don't know if they are getting) silly money for them recently. I have one and it's for it's size a nice lathe. But they are not IMHO worth what I am seeing them now advertised for.! frown

                                                Nick

                                                #319650
                                                Andy Beckett
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                                                  @andybeckett68581

                                                  Thanks Nick, so please can you advise what you consider to be a reasonable price to pay for a good conditioned and fully working Boxford lathe. If you think Boxford's are fetching silly prices, look at some of the amounts people want for Myford's.

                                                  #319663
                                                  David Standing 1
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                                                    @davidstanding1

                                                    Nick

                                                    Andy's workshop is only 10×8 external, and an X10 Boxford, even in short bed version, has a fair sized footprint, probably too much for a workshop that size.

                                                     

                                                    Andy

                                                    Unfortunately, your question is as difficult to answer relating to Boxford lathes as it is to Myford (as you have already found, regarding the latter). Condition varies from lathe to lathe, and one man's 'good condition' is another's 'poor condition'. Likewise, one man's 'fair price' is another man's 'overpriced'.

                                                     

                                                    What I will say, however, is that good value for money (relative to their peers) lathes do come along from time to time, you just have to be patient, and keep your eyes peeled.

                                                    I have bought a Boxford 330 and a Myford 254 in the last three months, the first off eBay and the second from Gumtree, both I thought were a bit of a bargain, in relation to similar lathes.

                                                     

                                                     

                                                     

                                                    Edited By David Standing 1 on 02/10/2017 11:20:20

                                                    #326829
                                                    Andy Beckett
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                                                      @andybeckett68581

                                                      After much deliberation and having nearly got my workshop up I've decided to go for a Myford Super 7 with power cross feed. The reason is it'll easily fit in my workshop and leave space for other item and if I do decide I ought to upgrade it'll be easy to sell on.

                                                      I've placed an ad in a wanted section.

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