sizes of superheater elements

[Simon CollierParticipant @simoncollier74340]

[Simon CollierParticipant @simoncollier74340]

i just finished a locomotive with 1-1/2" bore by 2-1/2" stroke. I fitted it with two 1/4" copper spear point type superheaters in 3/4" flues. The engine clearly wasn't getting sufficient feed of steam upon testing. I removed the elements and connected it up to be saturated. It still didn't run properly, the problem being found to be a very simple one: I had the dry pipe in the dome right up against the dome top! Easy to fix, and the engine ran as it should. The question is, should I put the superheaters back? Are two 1/4" elements enough, with cross sectional area of 2 x 16.26 mm square? The regulator pipe is 3/8, with 46.6 mm2. Four 1/4 elements on my Simplex have total of 65 mm2, which work well. Two 5/16 would give 59mm2, and 8 of the Doug Hewson type 5/32 x 26G tubes give 58 mm2. I am assuming 20G, about 0.9 mm wall thickness for all the others. Does anyone have a clear idea of what is required to feed the cylinders? Obviously resistance from the tube walls is a factor, moreso with thinner tubes. My feeling is that 2 x 5/16 radiant superheaters might be the best approach, eventually. Your thoughts please.

[julian atkinsParticipant @julianatkins58923]

hi simon,

ive sent you a PM.

cheers,

julian

[duncan webster 1Participant @duncanwebster1]

Definitely fit superheaters, and make them the radiant type. The theory and practical results are proven, see http://modeleng.org/articles/hall01.pdf, and an article by a chap called Wallbank in ME a couple of years ago.

As regards how big, I think the critical factor is the area exposed to the radiant heat of the fire, so as big as you can get in (probably 5/16" in your case). Put them side by side, not on top of each other, otherwise the top run is shielded from the fire by the bottom one.These will be well big enough to carry the steam.

[Martin Johnson 1Participant @martinjohnson1]

Duncan,

Was the article by Wallbank concerned with the benefits of superheating or the numbers of the heat transfer into the superheater element? I am working on a calculation method for superheater performance, so am eager to find out what has been done before.

Martin

[duncan webster 1Participant @duncanwebster1]

It was qualitative, no numbers as I recall. Howvere, if you do the heavy lift of going through the index to find the issue number I will have it in the attic and can copy it for you. Bill Hall did the numbers, and his program 'perform' might help, but I don't think he ever wrote it up so mere mortals could understand it. I might have a copy of the code if you can read C. As I recall the bit inside the flue didn't do a lot, most of the heat transfer took place in the bit exposed to the fire. This is actually easier to work out, you need to look up 'view factors' to find how much of the radiant heat liberated by the fire finishes up in the superheater, but the first problem is working out the fire temperature. Bill's program overestimaes it I think because he doesn't allow for combustion being split between the firebed and gas phase above. I'm getting well out of my depth now! Now that infra red pyrometers are reasonably available it would be a nice experiment to measure the relationship between grate load and fire temperature, but I'm not volunteering, too many other irons in the fire (sorry!)

When I get time I'll go through all the stuff Bill left and see what there is, but don't hold your breath, my recods system is even ess organside than my workshop.

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