hallam engine

[p j riordanParticipant @pjriordan89154]

hi can anyone please help me with this model as i know nothing about it other than it is a hallam .

p.j.

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[p j riordanParticipant @pjriordan89154]

help

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Oops …

I hadn't realised that there were photos to accompany the question.

May I suggest that you insert a least one of them into the posting.

… Use the little black camera icon on the top row in the edit box.

MichaelG.

[p j riordanParticipant @pjriordan89154]

thank you michael

i am very new to this forum and your help is much needed thank you again

p.j.

[V8EngParticipant @v8eng]

There was one on Ebay last summer, I was interested but it went for more than I could afford, there was a bit of info in the listing.

 

**LINK**

 

Edited By V8Eng on 29/01/2014 18:30:19

[p j riordanParticipant @pjriordan89154]

hi v8

what do you mean more ?

also what did it go for ?

yours

p.j.

[p j riordanParticipant @pjriordan89154]

hi again

just seen a marine nipper on christie`s site for £353 wow

[MichaelRParticipant @michaelr]

Your engine is the Hallam 9.5cc for more info see here. there is a copy of the engines plans on link

On the link click search this site and type in Hallam engines, scroll down to No 172 and you will see the listing.

 

 

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[p j riordanParticipant @pjriordan89154]

hi stick is this a marine engine then as i have been told?

yours

p.j.

[V8EngParticipant @v8eng]

Hi P.J.

If you click on the link in my post it takes you to the auction page for that engine from last year, so you can see the information for yourself, it has some data on the manufacturer etc.

As to the "more" I am like many people and have to stick to a (tight) budget.

Edited By V8Eng on 29/01/2014 21:07:15

[p j riordanParticipant @pjriordan89154]

ni v8 i have seen that

it is missing spark plug as to budget i dont have one as i am broke but what the heck its only money

as for the data i have been told it is marine version so im lost there as well

yours

p.j.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Stick on 29/01/2014 20:14:51:

Your engine is the Hallam 9.5cc for more info see here. there is a copy of the engines plans on link

On the link click search this site and type in Hallam engines, scroll down to No 172 and you will see the listing.

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Interesting to see that the site lists it as Hallum, and likewise names the designer as Hallum.

… But the Plan clearly shows Hallam.

MichaelG.

[V8EngParticipant @v8eng]

P.J.

From your photos I would guess yours is an air cooled engine rather than marine, but then again I'm no expert.

Edited By V8Eng on 29/01/2014 21:34:57

[p j riordanParticipant @pjriordan89154]

v8 it would be a very big plane as it stands about 4.5 inches high the person that told me it was marine says it is due to having a flywheel that makes it marine as the areo engines have a prop

yours

p.j.

[V8EngParticipant @v8eng]

I based my opinion that it is air cooled on not being able see any water inlet or outlets on your engine, I'm assuming that is the exhaust coming out on the left hand side in photo 2 ?

Air cooled would not automatically mean planes only, although I'm told some of the 1940s 1950s model planes were big.

Edited By V8Eng on 29/01/2014 22:36:18

[p j riordanParticipant @pjriordan89154]

hi again

if it was plane engine why the flywheel ?

they all had shaft for props to fit on ?

i am still at a loss as to which it is

yours

p.j.

[MichaelRParticipant @michaelr]

If your engine was for marine use the flywheel would have two pegs fitted which would engage with a slotted coupling on the boat prop shaft, and the crankshaft is to short to have a flexible coupling screwed on in front of the flywheel, also the flywheel should have a groove so that a starting cord can be used to spin up the engine.

Most air cooled engines can be adapted for marine use with the proper flywheel coupling combination.

 

Edited By Stick on 30/01/2014 10:54:39

[V8EngParticipant @v8eng]

Hi.

A "proper" marine engine of that era would most likely have had a water jacket for cooling, like the ones in the following link:

**LINK**

An air cooled engine with a flywheel could have been used in a car, hydroplane, or some other use which the owner came up with.

The drive (flywheel, prop driver, clutch, et al) attached to engine shafts would usually be detachable and interchangeable, and of course some of the original parts of that assembly on your engine might simply be missing.

If you look closely at the engine in my original link it appears to have some of the parts as fitted to yours but with a prop driver rather than a flywheel, as the seller said most of them were in kit form, I guess almost anything was possible!

More links which I hope will help show things more clearly:

**LINK**

**LINK**

 

Edited By V8Eng on 30/01/2014 11:15:07

[p j riordanParticipant @pjriordan89154]

hi lads

v8 the only time they used an engine in one of their cars they only made 2 of them and one is already accounted for as for the slots in the flywheel ? none to be seen so i guess front starter i am still at a loss at to what it was used for

yours p.j.

[V8EngParticipant @v8eng]

Looking more closely at the front view of your engine and comparing it with the one that was for sale, it looks rather like the drive shaft is a bit short, maybe yours was broken at some time and just smoothed off at the flywheel for the sake of appearance, how does that square up with things close up?

I broke a drive shaft off close to the nose of a small Diesel engine some years ago, the ground got in the way of my flying, yes I did give up flying eventually!!

[Ramon WilsonParticipant @ramonwilson3]

Hi, It's been quite a while since I visited here and even longer since posting. When I saw the word 'Hallam' I was intrigued having posted on that subject in the past..

PJ – I went to find that original posting by Alan Worland but see you have already found it so you will have seen not only his engine but the one I experimented with also and realised that it is not the same design as yours.

Looking at your engine I would hazard a guess this is a much earlier design though how much I'm not sure as I have little knowlege of the types produced. The split crank case and those single bolt mounting lugs signal an earlier engine but that's a calculated guess. The head design is typical Hallam however. If you can remove the head and measure the bore and stroke it will give you an idea of the capacity. Alan's engine and 'mine' are definitely the 9cc versions. It's been quite a while since doing anything with it but if I remember correctly the 9cc version was available both as a set of castings for home machining and a finished engine around 1947-9. I think you will find they were primarily aimed at the model aircraft and tethered car side of things which were very popular at the time.

Air cooled engines can and indeed were used in boats usually with the engine exposed to the elements – so It does not neccessarily mean your engine was not used as such. I agree with the opinion though that the cracnkshaft has been shortened – or the flywheel is too wide for the length of shaft .

Hallam engines were – apparently – not well known for their running properties, something Alan and I found.

I was kindly sent an original drawing of the 9cc version and though I can't remember exactly what it was I do remember finding something slightly awry with the timing as drawn. It was my intention to build one from solid to try to improve it's running qualities as I have yet to make a spark ignition engine but other engines have got in the way so far. All the parts are still here on permanent loan though so maybe some time soon.

Whatever plans you have for yours – I hope it runs okay fo you

One last thing – if you go on the web site 'On The Wire' you may, via that, be able to contact a Hugh Blowers who is very knowlegeable about Hallam engines( Hugh was one of the guys I spoke to about Alan's engine) – I'm sure he would like to hear of yours.

Regards – Ramon

[Ramon WilsonParticipant @ramonwilson3]

Hi Again PJ

Having just taken another look at your images I would say that your crankshaft has definitely been shortened. Also, as it stands, I think the evidence very much points to this being used in a car. It would be unusual though not impossible to have drive pegs directly fitted in the flywheel on an IC engine for use in a boat but 'Stick' is correct in that the flywheel would have a groove in it for starting with a cord. In cars the engine was usually started by bringing the flywheel into contact with a larger spinning wheel – often an upturned bicycle – the shortened shaft may, and the flat flywheel certainly, seems to indicate use in a car model. What form the drive would take however remains anyones guess

I also spotted the two bolt cylinder head on this second look – most unusual and again indicative of an early subject. I don't think the caphads are period though!

Ramon

Edited By Ramon Wilson on 30/01/2014 14:29:58

[p j riordanParticipant @pjriordan89154]

ramon thank you very much ,as to taking off the head i dont have the kit to do that safely as i said i am very new to this as yet.v8 it looks as if it was ment to as it is not reground to fit ..this is starting to get more and more of a puzzle as the days go by ::: but what fun

p.j.

[V8EngParticipant @v8eng]

From the photos I cannot see how your flywheel is fixed to the shaft, can you see how it has been done?

[p j riordanParticipant @pjriordan89154]

hi v8 it is put on with a grub screw on inside of wheel so it can come off anytime you wish

yours p.j.

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