Why does the micrometer have a second knurled segment

Why does the micrometer have a second knurled segment

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    Chris TickTock
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      @christicktock

      Hi just thought it time to make sure I can read a micrometer well. So first things first why the ratchet….answer to stop over tightening and ensure even force on jaws. So why have the second knurled segment which is tempting to use…would it not be better not to have this/

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      #9843
      Chris TickTock
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        @christicktock
        #427606
        Clive Hartland
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          @clivehartland94829

          Chris. the small ratchet thumbwheel is to give a uniform pressure when measuring close tolerances, Thumb pressure on the large thimble can vary so much as to give odd readings.

          Edited By Clive Hartland on 05/09/2019 14:28:36

          #427607
          colin hawes
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            @colinhawes85982

            When you have acquired the skill after frequent use you will find the "second" knurled knob gives a better feel on precision work and also that feel lets you know if a bit of debris is causing a false reading. Colin

            #427610
            Martin Hamilton 1
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              @martinhamilton1

              Because when you hold the mic with 1 hand & use it you have 1 finger which is normally little finger holding the curved body you would not be able to reach the ratchet knob at the end. The large knurled part is also handy when you want to open or close the mic down some distance you run the barrel up or down your arm.

              #427615
              MadMike
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                @madmike

                Not wishing to be controversial, but is this a serious question?

                #427631
                Chris TickTock
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                  @christicktock

                  Thanks Guys 3 helpful answers all helpful especially Martin's point of holding the mic in one hand which being a greenhorn I overlooked.

                  Chris

                  #427648
                  Neil Wyatt
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                    @neilwyatt

                    The knurl on the main barrel is for spinning it quickly, as the ratchet can slip if you turn it too vigorously.

                    I read a test that showed even experienced users get more consistent results with the ratchet. I have also seen equally convincing claims that the opposite is true.

                    Certainly, the makers insist you should use the ratchet.

                    Neil

                    #427652
                    Howard Lewis
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                      @howardlewis46836

                      A lot of people say that the Ratchet should be turned until it has clicked three times, to give a consistent pressure.

                      The narrow knurled ring set into the frame of the micrometer, is used to lock a reading.

                      In this way, then reading can be retained when the mic is removed; or it can be used a Go/No Go gauge.

                      Howard

                      #427657
                      Chris TickTock
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                        @christicktock
                        Posted by Howard Lewis on 05/09/2019 17:26:57:

                        A lot of people say that the Ratchet should be turned until it has clicked three times, to give a consistent pressure.

                        The narrow knurled ring set into the frame of the micrometer, is used to lock a reading.

                        In this way, then reading can be retained when the mic is removed; or it can be used a Go/No Go gauge.

                        Howard

                        Thanks howard I forgot to ask what the narrow ring was for..thanks mate.

                        Chris

                        #427659
                        David Standing 1
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                          @davidstanding1
                          Posted by MadMike on 05/09/2019 14:42:44:

                          Not wishing to be controversial, but is this a serious question?

                          I have suggested useful reading material to Chris on more than one occasion, he has not responded.

                          Book 6 in the Workshop Practice series, Measuring and Marking Materials, by Ivan Law, would answer this question too.

                          The preferred option appears to be to bombard the forum with questions instead.

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                          Former Member
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                            #427667
                            Howard Lewis
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                              @howardlewis46836

                              Chris,

                              Although quite a bit of money can spent on building up a library of books, it will be money well spent.

                              None of us know everything, so we need books as a source of information to which we can refer.

                              Some books will be opened more often than others. That will depend on:

                              the state of your knowledge

                              what you want to do

                              how often you wish or need to perform that task.

                              As an instance, if you bash on regardless, you could spend more on replacing broken Taps, and spoiled workpieces, than if you had bought a book on Taps and Dies, and how to use them. Which just happens to be No 12 in the Workshop Practice series of books.

                              Other than for interest, there is not much point in buying books on the vertical milling machine, if you don't have one. Some of the info MAY be useful if you use a vertical slide to do a little milling in the lathe.

                              L H Sparey's "The Amateur's Lathe" is often cited as a good starting point, (Although this heavily features the 7 Series Myford, because this was almost the standard machine, when the book was written ) just as is Ian Bradley's "The Amateur's Workshop" and Tubal Cain's "Model Engineer's Handbook". This latter sees a lot use by me, and I've been in Engineering since 1958!

                              When you find a need for a book, buy it. You will refer to it more than once, although some less than others, but it will be there when you need info on that subject.

                              Find your local Model Engineering Society, and join it. There will be folk there prepared to guide you on your machine, or show you how on theirs.

                              You ask questions, in the hope of gaining knowledge, not to be laughed at. If I need information about my eyes, I ask an Opthalmist. I am an Engineer, not a medic. Should I wreck the control board on the mini lathe, I shall consult someone with good knowledge of electronics.

                              Keep climbing the learning curve.

                              Howard

                              #427691
                              Chris TickTock
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                                @christicktock
                                Posted by David Standing 1 on 05/09/2019 17:39:07:

                                Posted by MadMike on 05/09/2019 14:42:44:

                                Not wishing to be controversial, but is this a serious question?

                                 

                                I have suggested useful reading material to Chris on more than one occasion, he has not responded.

                                Book 6 in the Workshop Practice series, Measuring and Marking Materials, by Ivan Law, would answer this question too.

                                The preferred option appears to be to bombard the forum with questions instead.

                                 

                                Thanks MadMike, May I in return to your reading recommendation suggest you read the bible and turn the other cheek the next time I post not to your obviously elevated taste.

                                Chris

                                Edited By Chris TickTock on 05/09/2019 21:45:57

                                Edited By Chris TickTock on 05/09/2019 21:49:40

                                #427693
                                Paul Kemp
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                                  @paulkemp46892
                                  Posted by Chris TickTock on 05/09/2019 21:30:41:

                                  Posted by David Standing 1 on 05/09/2019 17:39:07:

                                  Posted by MadMike on 05/09/2019 14:42:44:

                                  Not wishing to be controversial, but is this a serious question?

                                  I have suggested useful reading material to Chris on more than one occasion, he has not responded.

                                  Book 6 in the Workshop Practice series, Measuring and Marking Materials, by Ivan Law, would answer this question too.

                                  The preferred option appears to be to bombard the forum with questions instead.

                                  Thanks MadMike, I will endeavor to make all future posts at your elevated level.

                                  Chris

                                  Chris,

                                  With the greatest respect I have followed many of your question posts and the answers which seem to be perfectly valid. However the way your responses read to me seem to dispute most suggestions as not appropriate according to your answers already gained from your valued advisor. I am sure you do not really intend to come across as I interpret your responses and there is nothing wrong with questioning to properly evaluate a method or process but the way you do this perhaps does not encourage people to respond?

                                  Paul.

                                  #427695
                                  Alan Waddington 2
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                                    @alanwaddington2

                                    The second knurled grip is designed to afford the user better purchase when using the micrometer as a hammer during squaring operations and such like.

                                    #427700
                                    Michael Briggs
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                                      @michaelbriggs82422

                                      That’s a new one to me Alan, I thought the second knurled grip was to provide additional functionality as a G clamp. devil

                                      #427701
                                      paul rayner
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                                        @paulrayner36054
                                        Posted by Alan Waddington 2 on 05/09/2019 22:13:53:

                                        The second knurled grip is designed to afford the user better purchase when using the micrometer as a hammer during squaring operations and such like.

                                        well you learn something new every day, I didn't know you could use them as a hammer as well. I just use mine as a G cramp!surprise

                                        #427702
                                        Michael Briggs
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                                          @michaelbriggs82422

                                          Photo finish Paul, let’s call it a draw

                                          #427704
                                          paul rayner
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                                            @paulrayner36054
                                            Posted by Michael Briggs on 05/09/2019 22:58:47:

                                            Photo finish Paul, let’s call it a draw

                                            nah you win by exactly 60 seconds

                                            #427705
                                            paul rayner
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                                              @paulrayner36054

                                              or a C spanner smiley

                                              #427707
                                              Phil P
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                                                @philp

                                                My Mitutoyo 1" Mic doesn't have a second knurled ring.

                                                Should I not be hammering with it in that case wink

                                                Phil

                                                #427710
                                                Jeff Dayman
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                                                  @jeffdayman43397

                                                  No hammering Phil but the ones without the second knurled knob work better as pipe wrenches than the ones with…….

                                                  …….and a 12" caliper makes a better hammer anyway, due to leverage! face 21

                                                  #427723
                                                  Nicholas Farr
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                                                    @nicholasfarr14254
                                                    Posted by Michael Briggs on 05/09/2019 22:55:25:

                                                    That’s a new one to me Alan, I thought the second knurled grip was to provide additional functionality as a G clamp. devil

                                                    Hi, I with Michael on this one. teeth 2

                                                    Regards Nick.

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                                                    Brian H
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                                                      @brianh50089

                                                      This is now getting silly and VERY unhelpful.

                                                      Brian

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