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    Bo’sun
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      @bosun58570

      Good afternoon,

      I want to put a couple of small radius bends into 5/32″ (4mm) copper tube.  I have a small tubing bender but the internal radius is too large at 12 mm.  Something a little smaller would be useful.

      I’ve tried an external bending spring, but the annealed tube didn’t fare too well.

      My next attempt will be to make a simple bending die with a smaller radius.  Just need to grind the form tool.

      Any other suggestions appreciated.

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      #813719
      Diogenes
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        @diogenes

        If you can ‘rough’ a groove for a die, 5/32″ dia. is a common size for round chainsaw files.

        #813728
        Martin Kyte
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          @martinkyte99762

          You don’t need to grind a form tool just turn up a button harden and fix to a shank.

          #813735
          noel shelley
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            @noelshelley55608

            Machine a groove in a lump of metal 5/32″ wide, no need to radius the bottom and to the radius you want. Anneal the tube first.  Ali will do. Noel.

            #813736
            old mart
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              @oldmart

              Fill the tube with fine dry sand and block both ends, that will reduce the kinking. If a second bend is to be made, repack the sand before doing it.

              #813757
              Michael Gilligan
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                @michaelgilligan61133

                Cerrobend [Wood’s Metal] is an ideal filler … if you can find any these days

                MichaelG.

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                Refhttp://www.csalloys.com/products-cerrobend-alloy.html

                #813766
                Macolm
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                  @macolm

                  As you might expect, success bending copper tube improves with greater wall thickness, a larger bend radius, well annealed tube, and a former with close width constraint. I personally have had little success with sand filling (it always eventually still kinks for a tight bend radius). Cerrobend works the first time, but not so good with reuse, though I seem to remember there is guidance somewhere of what to do about that.

                  You can contrive an adequate former with a circle of ply etc. of the right radius and thickness clamped in a wood vise. Bending springs work well for plumbing pipe, but annealing is essential except for very gradual bends for adjustment of alignment, and there is a very definite limit for these thin wall tubes. Small diameter bending springs tend to be a pain.

                  One thing to appreciate is that with a proper commercial tube bender, the inner diameter of the former has to be the neutral axis, and the outside of the bend is progressively stretched using tension and an internal nose piece to avoid flattening. That is why tight bends are a challenge with amateur methods, and there is limited potential to replicate commercial results.

                   

                  #813784
                  Bo’sun
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                    @bosun58570
                    On noel shelley Said:

                    Machine a groove in a lump of metal 5/32″ wide, no need to radius the bottom and to the radius you want. Anneal the tube first.  Ali will do. Noel.

                    Thanks Noel, that’ll save me having to grind a form tool.

                    #813785
                    Anthony Kendall
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                      @anthonykendall53479

                      You may enjoy reading this article which tries various methods and endorses Noel’s method I think. No need for the luxury of the washer on the side – just stick it horizontally in a smooth-jawed vice.
                      Theory being pipes flatten when bending by squeezing out sideways  – so stick it in a groove so it can’t do it.
                      Make up one for each pipe size you might use?

                      Have loaded to my webspace – not sure of copyright issues – will leave it for a few days. Enjoy!
                      https://www.tonykendall.co.uk/SimplePipeBenderB.pdf

                      #813787
                      Michael Gilligan
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                        @michaelgilligan61133

                        Excellent article !

                        MichaelG,

                        #813805
                        Andy Stopford
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                          @andystopford50521

                          Definitely the easiest method I’ve seen – I’ll adopt it in future.

                          I did make a bender like this one –

                          https://modelengineeringwebsite.com/artisans_pipe_bender.html

                          It works well, but it’s a bit of a pain making all the different wheels (so I haven’t), worth having though for bending flat stuff for little brackets and things.

                          #813807
                          noel shelley
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                            @noelshelley55608

                            An interesting article. I made one back in the 70s for bending 3/16″ brake pipe, it seemed a good idea and worked well. With the groove a little deeper than the pipe dia it could be clamped in the end of the vice jaws, pipe slid in and bent. Noel.

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