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  • #141228
    Andrew Evans
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      @andrewevans67134

      Hi All. If plans for an engine require a 3/8" 26tpi external thread on a shaft is it a problem to use 3/8" BSF instead?

      Help much appreciated.

      Andy

      #7016
      Andrew Evans
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        @andrewevans67134
        #141230
        Michael Gilligan
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          @michaelgilligan61133

          Andy,

          3/8" BSF is 20 tpi

          … If the connecting parts match, I can't see it being a problem.

          MichaelG.

          .

          Edit:  Alternatively, you might consider 3/8" UNF, which is 24 tpi

          … as used on many drill chucks.

          Edited By Michael Gilligan on 20/01/2014 21:17:17

          #141245
          Andrew Evans
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            @andrewevans67134

            Thanks Michael

            #141258
            Harry Wilkes
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              @harrywilkes58467

              3/8 x 26 is what's know as 'cycle' thread neither taps or die's are hard to obtain with most ME suppliers selling them.

              #141266
              Saxalby
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                @saxalby

                There are two 26TPI series of threads.

                BSB (British Standard Brass) with 55deg thread and the BSC (British Standard Cycle) with 60deg thread.

                Barry

                #141267
                Steambuff
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                  @steambuff

                  Andy,

                  What model and which parts need the 3/8" 26tpi thread ?

                  Dave

                  #141281
                  Andrew Evans
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                    @andrewevans67134

                    Thanks all. It's the crank shaft for the Wyvern IC engine. The shaft is threaded at both ends and secured with nuts to stop end play.

                    #141341
                    Ian S C
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                      @iansc

                      Use the UNF 24 thread, unless you find a cheaper die in cycle thread. Unless you can cut the thread on the lathe. If you have never done thread cutting, now is a chance to try, grind up a HSS tool, and try it, even if you just turn the lathe by hand, that's if you have a screw cutting lathe of course. Find some scraps, and practice. Ian S C

                      #141352
                      Michael Gilligan
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                        @michaelgilligan61133

                        Well-said, Ian

                        Another possibility [ Having had a just quick look at the Wyvern illustration ] might be to make the crankshaft components from existing High Tensile 3/8" UNF Bolts; which should be readily available from Automotive parts suppliers.

                        MichaelG.

                        #141384
                        Andrew Evans
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                          @andrewevans67134

                          I hadn't thought of the bolt idea. I certainly can screw cut the thread – it means digging out the imperial conversion kit on my metric Denford lathe which I have never used.

                          Good advice

                          #141451
                          Ian S C
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                            @iansc

                            On looking at the drawing, I would do a modification to the crankshaft, one of two ways, first way, extend the shaft say about 3/4" beyond the nut, and reduce the diameter to 5/16", or 8 mm to take a pulley. Method two; make a pulley, bore and tap to suit the thread on the shaft, and use that instead of the hex nut. The motor will look more realistic with a means of driving something, maybe a little generator, or a model lathe, anything, motors are made to do work, or at least look like they might. Ian S C

                            #141652
                            Andrew Evans
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                              @andrewevans67134

                              Thanks Ian

                              #141654
                              JasonB
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                                @jasonb

                                I was just looking a Rod's Wyvern build and you won't be able to use bolts for the crankshaft as they need to be a larger dia on the bearing surfaces.

                                Pic of the sort of Pully Ian is suggesting here or if it too late you could always go for one that fits to te flywheel spokes.

                                If you don't want to fit your imperial conversion kit why not make the reduced ends 10mm dia and screwcut a M10 x 1.0 fine metric thread and make the nuts to suit.

                                 

                                Edited By JasonB on 25/01/2014 16:57:37

                                #141657
                                Michael Gilligan
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                                  @michaelgilligan61133
                                  Posted by JasonB on 25/01/2014 16:54:57:

                                  I was just looking a Rod's Wyvern build and you won't be able to use bolts for the crankshaft as they need to be a larger dia on the bearing surfaces.

                                  .

                                  Oh Bother !!

                                  Shoulder screws may be available in a suitable size, but it's probably not worth searching for them.

                                  MichaelG.

                                  Edited By Michael Gilligan on 25/01/2014 18:00:15

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