Failed Miller Transportation

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3 June 2022 at 19:48 #600461
Mike Clements
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Your thoughts on where to go from here. I'm concerned about damage to the lead screw as it is currently resting on the table. Still waiting for a full damage assessment. Had anyone had a similar case?
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3 June 2022 at 19:48 #34023
Mike Clements
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Tom Senior Milling Machine Damaged in Transport
3 June 2022 at 19:55 #600463
Mike Clements
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4 June 2022 at 11:40 #600545
Mike Clements
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The top picture is how it arrived, the bottom three are how it left. Needless to say I'm pretty upset by how the transport company has handled this – no communication prior to it arriving at its destination clearly having fallen. Note the box of tooling smashed and haphazardly repacked.
4 June 2022 at 11:47 #600546
DC31k
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You do not say whether you are the sender or receiver.

In any case, the condition in which it left is deplorable. The pallet is too flimsy, the machine is not fixed to the pallet and a single orange strap (that has been knotted together) is in no way adequate to secure it. The sender is more to blame than the transport company. If I were the driver and was presented with that as a load, I would refuse it.
4 June 2022 at 12:07 #600548
Hopper
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One strap like that is so not right.
4 June 2022 at 12:20 #600549
Pete Rimmer
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Yep 100% wrong type of pallet that load was destined to fail (or fall). The edges of the base are mid-span on the slats and there's no bottom stringers so when the truck went round any bend the machine starts to lean and slats will bend then snap. If it has a sheet of ply on top, even 1/2" ply, it would probably have been ok. Using a blue pallet would have been even better. The ratchet strap is inadequate and it should have been around the slat the machine was sitting on not the outboard one which would pull out the nails.

The driver should have refused it as an unstable load.
4 June 2022 at 12:29 #600551
jimmy b
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I agree with the poor preparation for transport.

I'd doubt that there would be zny compensation offered, as the before photos are far from ideal. As a minimum, I'd expect it to be bolted and properly strapped to a better pallet.

Jim
4 June 2022 at 12:33 #600553
Tony Pratt 1
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Is the OP buyer or seller? Either way unacceptable preparation for delivery

Tony
4 June 2022 at 12:40 #600554
Robert Atkinson 2
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Lucky it didn't fall through the soft side of the lorry and hit another vehicle.
4 June 2022 at 12:43 #600555
Hopper
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Appears to be on a blue pallet on arrival. The original must have disintegrated in transit. Sad. Looks pretty traumatic.

Who did the packing job, the seller or the transport company?
4 June 2022 at 13:59 #600563
Mark Rand
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I wonder if it fell or was it laid down?
4 June 2022 at 14:05 #600565
Dave Halford
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Should have used the double Euro pallet in the third photo and laid it down. The first driver knows it's top heavy, and lashes accordingly but the warehouse in the middle does not, which is where it all went wrong.

Not the first time this has happened.
4 June 2022 at 14:36 #600566
not done it yet
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No question about the p. poor preparation for transportation. That is as far as I will comment at the moment.
4 June 2022 at 14:47 #600568
noel shelley
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Like many cabinet mounted machines it is horribly top heavy – a nightmare to move or transport ! I dismantled my centec to transport, into it's major components, this gave me manhandleable lumps – and safety !

I fancy this will end in tears ! Noel.
4 June 2022 at 15:19 #600569
DiogenesII
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Who organised the transportation – the seller or the recipient?

..apologies; just realised that's pretty much what Hopper asked..

Edited By DiogenesII on 04/06/2022 15:21:00
4 June 2022 at 15:56 #600573
not done it yet
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Posted by DiogenesII on 04/06/2022 15:19:50:

Who organised the transportation – the seller or the recipient?

..apologies; just realised that's pretty much what Hopper asked..

Edited By DiogenesII on 04/06/2022 15:21:00

Does that really matter?
4 June 2022 at 16:04 #600576
Clive Brown 1
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Posted by not done it yet on 04/06/2022 15:56:3

Does that really matter?

I would say that it does. That person/ organisation has the contract with the carrier and therefore the legal right to discuss responsibility and possible compensation, although we don't actually know if the transportation arose from a sale or just a re-location of the machine.

Separately, some effort seems to have been made to support the machine in the van. Strange how delivery seems to involve a pallet differing from the original one
4 June 2022 at 16:55 #600582
jimmy b
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Given that Mike is asking for advice/opinion, who packed it does matter.

Jim
4 June 2022 at 18:08 #600585
Robert Butler
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The second and third images show the mill on the weak pallet perhaps in the vendors garage/home workshop (block walls).

The fourth image shows the mill in the vehicle on the original weak pallet.

The first image shows the debris on a more appropriate pallet presumably repackaged following collapse of the original pallet and now located in the recipients garage/home workshop (brick walls).

Defective packaging by sender, carriers exclude damage caused by defective packaging which seems to be the likely cause.

Robert Butler

Edited By Robert Butler on 04/06/2022 18:14:12
4 June 2022 at 19:58 #600599
old mart
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The Tom Senior which was left to the museum in a will was taken to pieces and then strapped to 3 pallets, that way we didn't have the high centre of gravity to worry about. We did the same with the Atlas lathe, on 1 pallet while its stand was easy to handle.
4 June 2022 at 20:29 #600601
Richard Millington
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I feel for you and hopefully no one was injured.

I would wait for the damage assessment, it may not be too bad, on the other hand it may have ruined the column, knee and table. Until it's stood upright, shrink wrap removed and assessed you're not going to know.
5 June 2022 at 12:29 #600677
Pete Rimmer
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Either way it's a sad sight and heartbreaking for both the seller and the buyer. Looks like it was a nicely kept machine.
5 June 2022 at 13:23 #600694
Dave Halford
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Lets just say it's at least been painted. A tin of paint is the cheapest 'restoration' job you can do.
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