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    Andrew Tinsley
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      @andrewtinsley63637

      I need to stamp the numbers on some dials that I have engraved. The sets of number stamps that I have (No name on them) are very poor at getting each number in the same place! Even the individual numbers are not upright and vary in degree of list!

      So can anyone recommend a set of number stamps that always put the number in a standard place? I would be looking for 2 or 3 mm size height.for thr numbers.

      Thanks,

      Andrew.

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      #28603
      Andrew Tinsley
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        @andrewtinsley63637
        #587469
        Thor 🇳🇴
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          @thor

          Have a look at Arc's.

          Thor

          #587475
          Andrew Tinsley
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            @andrewtinsley63637

            Thanks Thor,

            The sets I have, are from well known sources and I am surprised how poor they are. Have you actually tried Arc's offering and were they accurate? I don't want to buy yet another set that are dodgy! So can anyone recommend a set from experience, that give good results?

            Regards,

            Andrew.

            #587476
            Adrian Downes
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              @adriandownes83818

              Can you not engrave or have them engraved for you?

              #587479
              ega
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                @ega

                Most of mine are by JHS MODELMARK and are pretty good.

                It helps to use something like GHT's UPT jig which would allow a faulty stamp to be rotated about its axis.

                That said, I am sure that folk with plenty of practice can achieve good results by hand and eye.

                #587481
                Nicholas Farr
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                  @nicholasfarr14254

                  Hi Andrew, these letter and number ones are from ARC.

                  letters & numbers.jpg

                  I do have these 2mm and 1mm number ones badge GROZ, but can't remember who I bought them from, but it would have been one of the well known traders at one of the ME exhibitions.

                  numbers.jpg

                  They have all stamped OK.

                  Regards Nick.

                  Edited By Nicholas Farr on 27/02/2022 14:58:58

                  #587487
                  Andrew Tinsley
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                    @andrewtinsley63637

                    Thanks Nick.

                    It looks as though the Arc set are better than the ones I have. I use a tool based on a Tapping jig and can hold the square section of the punch very accurately. However this is no good if the punches are not accurate!

                    I will take a look at JHS modelmark's offering too. Thanks for that ega.

                    Engraving sounds even worse than punching and I certainly won't pay for a professional to do it. We are supposed to be model engineers after all.

                    Thanks everyone,

                    Andrew.

                    #587488
                    Mike Poole
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                      @mikepoole82104

                      Pryor were a big name in number letter and number stamps. I am not sure whether they are still in business.

                      Mike

                      It looks like they are still around Pryor

                      Edited By Mike Poole on 27/02/2022 15:25:01

                      #587489
                      Ian Couchman
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                        @iancouchman53351

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                        I got these Kennedy stamps from Zoro. Very pleased with them.

                        https://www.zoro.co.uk/shop/hand-tools/letter-and-number-stamps/hand-stamps-sets/f/13378?query=letter+stamps

                        Ian

                        Edited By Ian Couchman on 27/02/2022 15:26:00

                        #587491
                        Dave Wootton
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                          @davewootton

                          I've got some sets of Pryor letter and number stamps some quite old, none of them can be relied on when using any sort of jig for stamping. I did some feed dials using a GHT pillartool and had to use shims glued on to the stamps to get them to line up nicely, Likewise when using a straightedge to try and get a nice straight line of stampings. GHT mentions this problem in his write up on the pillartool, so it's not only the cheapies that are a bit out of register.

                          Dave

                          #587501
                          Clive Brown 1
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                            @clivebrown1

                            Arnold Throp was a senior man at Pryor in Sheffield. His stamping ground so to speak.smiley

                            #587502
                            bernard towers
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                              @bernardtowers37738

                              I bought a set of 1 mm from Pryor a couple of years ago as they assured me that the characters were absolutely central and they are, worth the extra few quid.

                              #587505
                              Nick Hughes
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                                @nickhughes97026

                                This is the type you need for accuracy, but you will probably need to make a holder :- **LINK**

                                #587538
                                Andrew Tinsley
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                                  @andrewtinsley63637

                                  Thanks everyone,

                                  I have just ordered the precision W/O Pryor number stamps.

                                  Regards,

                                  Andrew.

                                  #587540
                                  old mart
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                                    @oldmart

                                    _igp2449.jpgWhen I made a special cross slide dial for the Smart & Brown imperial lathe so that a metric leadscrew could be used, (118 divisions is close to 3mm pitch), a jig was made to help hold the punches square to the dial when stamping it. Because I can never hold them straight freehand.

                                    _igp2446.jpg

                                    #587547
                                    Dalboy
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                                      @dalboy

                                      For those that want to hold stamps inline.

                                      #587550
                                      Nigel Graham 2
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                                        @nigelgraham2

                                        Faced with that problem on my Hemingway Kits T&C Grinder table, I elected not to make the little jig suggested but to use one my old, "widows and orphans " , Vee-blocks as a guide, and obtained satisfactory results. It just needed a lot of care to align the tools at each graduation.

                                        However, stamping widely-spaced pairs of digits is not the same as stamping longer numbers or words, where engraving would be the far better method. (I do of course mean machine-engraving, not freehand with a vibrating-stylus tool.).

                                        #587551
                                        Jon Lawes
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                                          @jonlawes51698

                                          No matter how slow and careful I try to be mine always end up looking like a randsom note.

                                          #587552
                                          Bill Phinn
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                                            @billphinn90025
                                            Posted by Nigel Graham 2 on 27/02/2022 22:09:41:

                                            stamping widely-spaced pairs of digits is not the same as stamping longer numbers or words, where engraving would be the far better method.

                                            If the part you're stamping is flat and you can hold it in your milling vice, preferably some way below the top of the jaws, there's really no need for a jig at all in order to stamp strings of characters uniformly; you just need to use a threaded vice stop with some means of counting the number of turns of the screw (e.g. a hex head!) as you advance it for the next letter. You can even do multiple lines of text this way with just a bit of thought.

                                            If you work with care, the only thing under these circumstances that will produce unevenly spaced stamping is if any of the characters aren't cut perfectly centrally on the shank of the punch.

                                            My experience of six different brands of stamp tells me that buying even the most respected brand doesn't guarantee all the characters in the set will be centrally cut on the punch. Accordingly, in order to ensure you get evenly spaced and uniform stamping you need to be prepared to compensate for this manufacturing inaccuracy where necessary.

                                            I've not tried characters on moveable-type-like bodies of the kind in Nick Hughes' link, so I couldn't say whether these are consistently cut more accurately than the punches; I'd hope so given the extra cost of them. And of course, as Nick suggests, you can't strike these directly with a hammer; they have to go in some kind of typeholder, made either for individual characters or for strings of them.

                                            If you're using the latter kind of typeholder and you're marking a longish word on steel all in one hit you're going to have to be prepared to hit that typeholder very hard in order to get a good impression, particularly if you're using a biggish font size.

                                            #587560
                                            Gerhard Novak
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                                              @gerhardnovak66893

                                              Great hint Derek

                                              Think I have to make one of these jigs…

                                              #587561
                                              Gerhard Novak
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                                                @gerhardnovak66893

                                                Great hint Derek

                                                Think I have to make one of these jigs…

                                                #587567
                                                bernard towers
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                                                  @bernardtowers37738

                                                  If you make the GHT stamp holder the stamps are are pushed to one corner of the holder by leaf springs and as usual with GHTs designs it works!!

                                                  #587573
                                                  Hopper
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                                                    @hopper
                                                    Posted by Nicholas Farr on 27/02/2022 14:57:52:

                                                    Hi Andrew, these letter and number ones are from ARC.

                                                    letters & numbers.jpg

                                                    I do have these 2mm and 1mm number ones badge GROZ, but can't remember who I bought them from, but it would have been one of the well known traders at one of the ME exhibitions.

                                                    numbers.jpg

                                                    They have all stamped OK.

                                                    Regards Nick.

                                                    Edited By Nicholas Farr on 27/02/2022 14:58:58

                                                    The ARC Euro ones in the top pic look like proper good 'uns. They have a nice crisp sharp line at the apex of each letter form. That means you don't have to hammer the hell out of them to make a good letter. A clear, light impression from a light tap will make a good looking result. Many of the cheaper ones are a more rounded profile so are not as crisp in the result they give.

                                                    #587574
                                                    Hopper
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                                                      @hopper
                                                      Posted by bernard towers on 28/02/2022 10:52:09:

                                                      If you make the GHT stamp holder the stamps are are pushed to one corner of the holder by leaf springs and as usual with GHTs designs it works!!

                                                      Still doesnt' help if the stamps are poorly made and the letters are not a consistent distance from the sides of the shank, or even straight up and down in line with the sides of the shank.

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