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  • #336224
    richard 2
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      @richard2

      Hi everyone – trouble again!

      I have a Warco Vario VMC mill with an R8 spindle.

      Several times I have had to really tighten the ER32 collet chuck to hold a mill.

      How do I hold the chuck body to unscrew the cap?

      There is no spindle lock on this mill and I would like to know if anyone else has this problem and how they solved it.

      Has anyone made a spindle lock for this mill?

      Many thanks for any help.

      Richard 2.

      #25748
      richard 2
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        @richard2
        #336238
        TSH
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          @tsh73987

          Hi Richard,

          I have a Chester Super Lux with an R8 spindle. The ER32 collet chuck (sourced from Hong Kong) has a pair of flats on it. An old 13/16" W spanner fits nicely. I think I would have trouble tightening the chuck without this.

          Regards,

          Trevor

          #336239
          Mark P.
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            @markp

            Hi Richard, I hold the front pulley on my VMC to tighten my er chuck.
            Mark P.

            #336241
            Vic
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              @vic

              My ER32 chuck has four flats on it for a spanner, can’t remember the size off hand but it’s quite large. I bought one of those black DIN spanner’s from eBay to fit it quite cheaply.

              #336291
              John Haine
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                @johnhaine32865

                Ball bearing ER closer should help.

                #336296
                Jon Gibbs
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                  @jongibbs59756

                  +1 for bearing nut closer & +1 for holding the top pulley/belt

                  but if it's still tight I sometimes use the draw-bar soft hammer to tap the end of the spanner to slacken off the collet nut. This technique is needed more often for my Clarkson and Posilock chucks with plain closers.

                  The inertia and belt gearing effect usually provides enough resistance to work.

                  HTH

                  Jon

                  Edited By Jon Gibbs on 11/01/2018 09:39:21

                  #336320
                  Vic
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                    @vic
                    Posted by John Haine on 11/01/2018 09:01:56:

                    Ball bearing ER closer should help.

                    Yes, I’ve got those on two of my chucks. In some circumstances hand pressure alone is enough to hold the work.

                    #336322
                    Windy
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                      @windy30762

                      I bought a new Warco VMC supplied with an ER32 collet chuck with no spanner flats on the chuck.

                      Using a carbide end mill (a good deal from Ebay) machined some flats on the chuck.

                      Its tough steel so an HSS cutter probably wont cut.

                      Accuracy is the same as before cutting the flats. .

                      #336325
                      michael m
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                        @michaelm

                        Hi Richard

                        I experienced the same problem with my ER chuck and some two years ago became sufficiently exasperated to resolve the problem. I machined a steel ring to be a push fit on the chuck body and then prior to fitting machined two C-spanner slots into the ring. Having lightly abraded the chuck body at the place where the ring was to fit I loctited it in. It's been fine ever since, but with the wisdom of experience if I were to do it again I would incorporate three C-spanner slots for greater utility in use.

                        Regards

                        Michael

                        #336326
                        michael m
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                          @michaelm

                          Sorry Richard, forgot to post picture but it's in my album ER Chuck.

                          Michael

                          #336342
                          John Haine
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                            @johnhaine32865

                            Possibly unpopular, but you could always use R8 collets in your R8 spindle, as it was designed for….

                            #336345
                            David Standing 1
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                              @davidstanding1
                              Posted by John Haine on 11/01/2018 17:33:44:

                              Possibly unpopular, but you could always use R8 collets in your R8 spindle, as it was designed for….

                              Absolutely true, but as you will well know, ER collets will do things R8 won't, like cater for both imperial and metric shank cutters smiley

                              #336353
                              Malcolm Harwood
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                                @malcolmharwood97364

                                Hi Richard 2

                                read the following. Almost identical problem, not helped by the supplier!

                                http://modeleng.proboards.com/thread/11999/collet-tightening-wth-draw-system

                                Regards

                                Malcolm

                                Sorry about the PB edit of pics

                                Edited By Malcolm Harwood on 11/01/2018 18:59:11

                                #336358
                                John Haine
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                                  @johnhaine32865
                                  Posted by David Standing 1 on 11/01/2018 18:02:12:

                                  Posted by John Haine on 11/01/2018 17:33:44:

                                  Possibly unpopular, but you could always use R8 collets in your R8 spindle, as it was designed for….

                                  Absolutely true, but as you will well know, ER collets will do things R8 won't, like cater for both imperial and metric shank cutters smiley

                                  Um… I've got both metric and imperial R8 collets? Yes, I know that ER cover a range, but actually you really need at least a few imperial ER collets to hold some of the imperial sizes properly. Anyway, one only uses a few cutter shank sizes – 6 / 8 / 10 / 12 mainly in my case though I have a few surplus imperial cutters.

                                  #336365
                                  Tony Ray
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                                    @tonyray65007

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                                    #336367
                                    David Standing 1
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                                      @davidstanding1
                                      Posted by John Haine on 11/01/2018 19:40:46:

                                      Posted by David Standing 1 on 11/01/2018 18:02:12:

                                      Posted by John Haine on 11/01/2018 17:33:44:

                                      Possibly unpopular, but you could always use R8 collets in your R8 spindle, as it was designed for….

                                      Absolutely true, but as you will well know, ER collets will do things R8 won't, like cater for both imperial and metric shank cutters smiley

                                      Um… I've got both metric and imperial R8 collets? Yes, I know that ER cover a range, but actually you really need at least a few imperial ER collets to hold some of the imperial sizes properly. Anyway, one only uses a few cutter shank sizes – 6 / 8 / 10 / 12 mainly in my case though I have a few surplus imperial cutters.

                                      John

                                      I've got both metric and imperial R8 collets too, as well as an ER40 set.

                                      I perhaps didn't make my earlier post clear – I meant that to cover both metric and imperial cutter shanks in R8, you need both metric and imperial R8 collets, whereas in ER, as you say, one set will largely cover a range.

                                      #336368
                                      Tony Ray
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                                        @tonyray65007

                                        Now the text. The tooth disc is attached to the top surface of the spindle drive pulley. The detent is sized to fit the teeth and in practise much shorter than drawn. The pivot is attached to the pulley cover as is the spring attachment point. The actuating arm projects through a horizontal slot milled in the side of the pulley cover. The spring retracts the detent so it self releases. You would have to play around with the pivot etc. until you find a solution where the detent locks and retracts smoothly. I built a similar system for my SX3 that locks on the toothed drive pulley it works a treat and was designed by an Aussie on the forum. I would use steel for the indexing disc.

                                        #336397
                                        richard 2
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                                          @richard2

                                          Many thanks everyone for all your help.

                                          Have found an R8 Er chuck with flats on the body so problem solved.

                                          Richard 2.

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