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    Sam Stones
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      @samstones42903

      Gentlemen,

      What is the term usually used to describe the condition when a shaft begins to whirl or orbit (instead of sliding smoothly), inside a plain bearing?

      It’s a noisy condition which is often cured with just a drop of oil, or a new bearing with a better fit.

      Regards,

      Sam

      #22063
      Sam Stones
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        @samstones42903

        Looking for the term to describe a noisy bearing

        #88392
        Springbok
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          @springbok

          Shafted…!!

          #88402
          MICHAEL WILLIAMS
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            @michaelwilliams41215

            Hi Sam ,

            Cyclic instability is correct though most people call it bearing knock .

            Several variants :

            (1) Stable continuous action – like epicycic gears .

            (2) As (1) but unstable – happens sometimes not others .

            (3) Either of (1) or (2) but incomplete – shaft moves back and forth around an arc only .

            (4) Stable discontinuous action – where shaft jumps from one side of bearig to other . Usually associated with crankshafts .

            (5) Chaotic – shaft just jumps around randomly .

            Some of the above are simple reponse effects like crankshaft pulling repeatedly in alternate directions and some are resonance effects .

            For each situation , and normal stable running , there is a different way in which any lubricant present flows in the bearing and forms the bearing cushion .

            Regards ,

            Michael Williams .

            #88403
            Doddy
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              @doddy

              Eccentricity may manifest itself as shaft to bore mis alignment (STBM) and/or dynamic run out (DRO).

              Even with a good oil supply, high speed turbine shafts can suffer "oil whirl" leading to major vibration issues

              Eccentricity and dynamic run out a usually due to mis alignment, more a "sloppy fit" in this case

              #88421
              Ian S C
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                @iansc

                The term here would be "Munted", which is another way of saying "stuffed". Ian S C

                #88448
                Nicholas Farr
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                  @nicholasfarr14254

                  Hi Sam, maybe it could be termed as Axial Oscillation.

                  Regards Nick.

                  #88450
                  blowlamp
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                    @blowlamp

                    Could be Oil Whip, Whirl or Bearing Flutter.

                    Martin.

                    #88461
                    Bazyle
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                      @bazyle

                      The correct term is "Precession". A secondary definition to the more common association with gyroscopes and planets.

                      #88468
                      MICHAEL WILLIAMS
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                        @michaelwilliams41215

                        Sam's original question impied a dry running or trace oil condition .

                        To be clear – in any unstable bearing there can be two different sets of action going on :

                        (1) Those actions due to hydrodynamic effects in the oil film .

                        (2) Those actions due to the dynamics of the whole shaft and to the geometry of the bearings and journals .

                        In any practical situation (1) and (2) of course interact .

                        Purely for interest there is a variant of bearing instability where the shaft shuttles back and forth axially .

                        MW

                        #88502
                        Sub Mandrel
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                          @submandrel

                          In my workshop I call that a 'precision running fit'

                          Neil

                          #88522
                          Ian S C
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                            @iansc

                            Sounds like the big end on some of my hot air engines, I just call it free running, sometimes it does get a bit extreme, one did get to .020" on a 1/4" crank, Brass bush very little wear, unknown grade steel pin took all the wear. Ian S C

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