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Putting correct profile on someone elses wheels

This topic has 11 replies, 6 voices, and was last updated 6 September 2018 at 07:47 by paul rushmer.

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3 September 2018 at 12:24 #1748
Jon Lawes
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3 September 2018 at 12:24 #370196
Jon Lawes
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I have a partially built 3.5 gauge Britannia which I'm currently working on. Only the main frames, front bogie and wheels have been made by the previous owner before they passed away; I took over from there. Most of my time so far has been redoing the work done so far; its been quite variable in quality.

The previous owner has machined the wheels with a good profile to the rim and shoulder, but the tread has been machined parallel. I understand LBSC thought this wouldn't be a problem but convention seems to say otherwise. Can I just shave the profile down to a 3 degree angle to the root of the shoulder or is there more to it than that? Am I just overcomplicating this?
3 September 2018 at 13:19 #370204
Neil Wyatt
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I'd guess the challenge will be lending in the radius in the corner. My thought is to use a button-nosed tool that fits the corner and cut outwards. the amount to remove won't be much.

Neil
3 September 2018 at 13:40 #370208
paul rushmer
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Coning the tread should help centre the wheels on the track, the root radius is just as important. These two help stop the flange banging in to the side of the rail and improve ride. The root radius should be 0.050 inch but I use a broken No1 centre drill in a tangential holder sharpened to the appropriate angle to cut as a form tool (0.062 radius) this works fine on our multi gauge track. Both wheels on an axle should be the same diameter or they will try to go round in circles.

Hope this helps Paul
3 September 2018 at 14:02 #370215
Jon Lawes
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Useful, thank you chaps. I guess I'll just make a stub mandrel to run in the centre of the wheel, and cut a tool to the right profile. Thank you.
3 September 2018 at 15:52 #370239
Brian Oldford
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Another point is to ensure all coupled wheels are the same diameter. To give you some idea of the accuracy required full sized BR practice was to ensure all wheels on the rolling diameter were inside a 0.010" window.
3 September 2018 at 16:12 #370243
Michael Gilligan
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Posted by Brian Oldford on 03/09/2018 15:52:54:

Another point is to ensure all coupled wheels are the same diameter. To give you some idea of the accuracy required full sized BR practice was to ensure all wheels on the rolling diameter were inside a 0.010" window.

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Scale that down and it's 'instrument making' on the model

MichaelG.
3 September 2018 at 16:58 #370259
Neil Wyatt
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Intersting.

On an 08 shunter (coupled wheels) the allowable variance between wheelsets is indeed 0.25mm.

For some types (uncoupled) it can be as high as 25mm.

Search MT288 wheelset standards PDF

The number of dimensions measured is bewildering!

Neil
4 September 2018 at 20:57 #370482
Jon Lawes
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I've given the wheels 3 degrees, on closer inspection they already had a subtle profile, I'd guess at 1.5 to 2 degrees. My reprofiling took a skim off and I've done my utmost to keep them all the same size. Time will tell. Still need to make the tender and trailing truck wheels from scratch!
5 September 2018 at 07:52 #370511
Brian Oldford
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3 degrees or 1 in 20 is what most use.
6 September 2018 at 00:18 #370588
duncan webster 1
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There is an SMEE standard for wheel profiles in various gauges. It appears in Tubal Cain's 'Model Engineer's Handbook@. I mean the real Tubal Cain (TDWalshaw) not that American upstart.
6 September 2018 at 07:47 #370596
paul rushmer
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There is an error in this table if using metric units the 3 1/2 back to back is given as 83mm, this should be 83.35mm. Not a lot I know but worth knowing.

Paul
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