049 glow plug RC aircraft?

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    Another JohnS
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      Hi all;

      I was reading the firefly 46 engine build, and remembered the old Cox .049 glow plug engines; they were the rage with control-line enthusiasts back when I was a kid. I played around with one of these engines, but never tried flying a plane with one. looking on-line there are 3 of these engines for sale close by.

      I saw that Cox engines and parts are still available, from someone in BC, Canada.

      What's the general thought – are these still used on the RC fields, or is electric the way to go? I know it's not 1970 any more.

      Thoughts? Thanks – John.

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      Another JohnS
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        @anotherjohns
        #354857
        Tim Rowe
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          @timrowe83142

          Hi Stewart

          Many of the Cox engines are not fitted or equipped with silencers so they are noisy little beasts. I have got a Cox 010 and that is quite capable of annoying Spanish neighbours who are not generally known to be quiet peoples. My Cox 020 can annoy the neighbour's neighbours and as for the 049s and 051s well …………….. They are a big turn-off on noise sensitive flying sites.
          The other problem is that most of them are not throttled so have reduced application in a radio controlled model. You can fit timer to control the length of the run and you don't need to fill the tank completely which can also give some control of the run time. To reduce the power you can richen the mixture so that they are 4 stroking and to get a significant reduction in thrust you can reverse the propeller.

          Parts and new engines are available from Canada and there was quite a fun newsletter although that seems to have dried up.

          I am lucky in that our flying field near Campos in Mallorca does not have noise limits or restriction and I have a number of gliders that could be fitted with Cox engines on pods to get them into thermals and soaring height.

          My stronger interest is in IC engines especially four strokes but I also have a number of electric and I have to say that most of the kits and designs that I have built that were originally intended to be powered by Coxes I have adapted to use equivalent electric motors. With the small brushless motors available these days with lightweight and energy dense LiPo batteries a conversion often makes great sense. At the other end of the scale large models and top level aerobats can be electric as well and everything in between. Electric is also popular for twin and multi-engine aircraft.

          I love the engineering in the IC engines and it is much harder to stir up similar emotions on an electric motor. One day maybe.

          Tim

          #354873
          Jens Eirik Skogstad 1
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            @jenseirikskogstad1
            Posted by Tim Rowe on 21/05/2018 18:26:53:

            Hi Stewart

            Many of the Cox engines are not fitted or equipped with silencers so they are noisy little beasts. I have got a Cox 010 and that is quite capable of annoying Spanish neighbours who are not generally known to be quiet peoples. My Cox 020 can annoy the neighbour's neighbours and as for the 049s and 051s well …………….. They are a big turn-off on noise sensitive flying sites.

            Tim
             

            They are selling the silencer for near all Cox engines. **LINK**

            Cox engine was my first engine when i flew the C/L plane due cheap to buy the engine and build own model airplane. And since i has still 4 or 5 cox engines. The Cox engine lasted long time when the engine is in god tune (not run in high revolution with dry exhaust) + after use -> "3 in1" oil in the engine.

            Edited By Jens Eirik Skogstad on 21/05/2018 20:35:17

            #354874
            EdH
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              @edh

              Cox Engines!

              I had a Cox Tee Dee 15 in the early 60’s and I only ran it once for about 10 seconds. It must be the loudest noise I have ever heard and that includes standing 10 feet in front of Richie Blackmore’s 200 watt amps in the late 60’s. It must have started in fully leaned out mode as it dragged the heavy wooden stool it was attached to along a path and on a nylon 8×4 prop. It went back into it’s bubble pack immediately afterward to be put in the back of the cupboard. I still have it, I still have the shock from when it ran as well. I can still remember that perfect silence when it stopped and the sound of breaking crockery from all the houses where I lived as people reacted to the noise and dropped their tea trays in horror.

              #354879
              Richard S2
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                @richards2

                Remember them well back in 1964-ish. Mine was the Cox Thimbledrome Baby Bee. Came fitted to a Plastic PT Trainer Control Line Model obtained by swapping something for it with a School mate. I fitted a genuine Cox wrap around Silencer which was quite effective. Most of my engines had a silencer of some kind.

                I also had a (now rare) British made Clone known as the Keil Kraft Cobra 049 with cast in Bearer mounting lugs.and rear Carb for a remote fuel tank. Serial number was 1231 i think. Good little engine and used many of the Cox parts.

                I sold all my I/C Aero engines a few years ago.

                I dare say they could be modded to run full and idle with some work, but for me, they were Control Line or Free Flight run dry scenarios. Good luck if you take on the challenge.

                #354886
                Clive Hartland
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                  When i was in Hong Kong I joined the Model Club there, I lived above the model shop owned by a Millionare. The flying field was at a place called Sha Tin and it had a pool for model boats and a nice club house. In the club were 2 or 3 Australians whose favourite pastime was building free flight models using Cox .020. engines, mostly all from one sheet of balsa. Start up and fling them into the air, and then duck! They also made models that they flew over the border with China and they got their knuckles rapped by the Police. Strange that the models were returned at the border post totally unharmed. Club members were into control line with the biggest models they could find. Engines mainly Doolings and McCoys, one or two Ardens. Ardens were made of Magnesium and a crash wrapped the engine up! One I recovered where the crankshaft had gone back into the rear of the engine casing. My own engines were a Dooling 29 and a McCoy 29 in a Nationals winner.

                  #354890
                  Jeff Dayman
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                    I spent a lot of time as a young lad flying various plane models with Cox .049 power. Mine was a Babe Bee .049 for control line and free flight, a generous Christmas gift (see below re cost vs wages) A favourite plane was Carl Goldberg Models' "Lil Wizard" for c/l. We flew these things for hours at a time in a local park. One day a guy came by with a Guillow Models B-17 with 4 Cox .049 engines! It was amazing. I don't think he flew it that day as he would just get all 4 engines sync'd and one would run out of fuel.

                    There was as I recall a Cox .049 R/C version engine advertised at the time, with I believe an exhaust port throttle, but I can't be sure about that due to passage of time.

                    Us kids were all covetous of the higher end Cox engines like the Black Widow but with even a humble Babe Bee going for about $20 at the time, almost half a week's wages for my Dad, the $60+ Black Widow was a distant goal. When I got my Babe Bee for Christmas I remember being very aware of how valuable it was and what a major gift it was. For kids doing hobbies with money earned at odd jobs at about 25 cents an hour, it was not likely we would get one.

                    I took care of the one I got for Christmas, and believe it or not I still have it! Should get it out and give it a snarl. I ran it once inside the service bay at my Dad and Grandfather's garage and I remember them running out of the office into the bay with horrified expressions (probably expecting some carnage) when it started. One of the neighbouring houses' occupants yelled over "what the hell was that?" It was that loud! Lots of reverberating noise in that garage, off the painted concrete walls.

                    Mufflers were not in the budget.

                    However, in a park and some distance off the ground they did not seem half so noisy.

                    Great fun, thanks for reminding me.

                    #354911
                    Circlip
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                      @circlip

                      And remember Robbie Coultrayne describing haw Two strokes worked and referring to a Cox engine in his hand as "These noisy little bu**ers" then depositing it about fifty feet (20 odd mtrs.) into a Scottish lock.

                       

                      Regards Ian.

                       

                       PS, still have one in the nose of Mercury's ten bob speed model.

                       Lots of designs for 049's on Outerzone.

                      Edited By Circlip on 22/05/2018 10:52:01

                      Edited By Circlip on 22/05/2018 10:53:48

                      #355828
                      Neil Wyatt
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                        @neilwyatt

                        I have a nice collection of IC engine, including several EDs, mostly from my late father in law. I've run most of them but only flown the ED Merlin in a restored Keilkraft Ladybird he built in the 1950s that I got running about twenty years ago -so needs re-restoration and micro RC!

                        I have two unused McCoy Red head 0-.45s, nice for 'sport' C/L apparently.

                        Neil

                        #355831
                        not done it yet
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                          @notdoneityet

                          Sorry but even 60 feet is less than 20 m.nerd Lock or loch? Or which canal was that? wink OK, even Lochness has some locks, I believe.

                          #356067
                          Neil Wyatt
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                            As NDIY is in pedant mode, a correction … the McCoys are 0.35 blush

                            #356078
                            Circlip
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                              @circlip

                              Yep, I could have said Scotch lock and then you would have had a birthday.

                              That would have been shocking.

                              Regards Ian.

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