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    tatler
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      @tatler

      help

      I am trying to cut the spokes for a 1 gauge Green arrow driving wheels.

      the wheel size is (old money values sorry) 2.530″ OD ,18 spokes ( so thats 20 degrees on the table) to finish at 0.055″ at the rim to 0.077″ at the hub.

      At a loss on how to correctly machine the angle.

      everything is centred and i can get the correct number of spaces but the angle has me stumped.

       

      joe

      #869156
      Clive Foster
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        @clivefoster55965

        Basically you offset the rotary table centre relative to the cutter path to get the spoke width and tweak the actual angle setting to get the taper.

        So using round numbers and assuming the cutter is of zero diameter to make it easier to see what’s going on. Think laser cutter I guess. If the spokes were parallel and 0.100″ wide you’d offset the RT centre by 0.050″ to one side and go round cutting one side of the 18 spokes. Move it over 0.100″ so the RT centre is 0.050″ offset the other way and cut the other side of the spoke.

        As the spokes are tapered set the offset for the wide end and adjust the angle on the RT so the line of cut is deeper on the narrow end giving the desired taper.

        In the real world you have to add a further offset of half the cutter diameter to get the cut line in the right place.

        If your trigonometry and geometric visualisation is less than wonderful this is the sort of thing that is likely to net you a whisky bottle size hangover headache without the pleasure of emptying the bottle first.

        Playing with CAD makes it all much easier.

        Good idea to mock things up on paper with pencil or slender felt tip pen / sharpie in the spindle and a suitable backing board in the RT to support the paper. Draw out something simple, four spokes are plenty, and try to trace over it. When the penny drops after 3 or 4 goes you will wonder what the problem was. But until it does …

        The trigonometry involved is fairly straightforward. I imagine Jason or one of the other CAD jockeys can easily show you that. My trig is well up to such things but I found getting the visualisation straight for the moves needed first time through tricky.

        Clive

        #869159
        Andrew Crow
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          @andrewcrow91475

          The problem you have is that although your rotary table can achieve the spaces, your milling machine needs to have a universal table ie. one that can be set to the angle you require so that the longitudinal movement is at the required angle to the cutter. It can be achieved by calculating the angular offset required so that in your case you centre the rotary table the move the y axis by 11 thou plus .0385(half spoke thickness at the hub) to cut one side of the spoke then cut the other 17. After that reposition for the other side and repeat.

          Hope that makes sense.

          Andy

          #869166
          JasonB
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            @jasonb

            You really need to give hub diameter and inside of the rim diameter

            But angle wil be approx 0.7deg either way and offset 0.041″ plus half cutter diameter.

            Bit of CAD soon gives the numbers but confirm those two diameters or exactly where those widths are taken and the cutter diameter being used and I’ll give it more accurately.

            No need for fancy machines, a basic rotary table can do it as that is all I have used in the past

            #869169
            Andrew Crow
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              @andrewcrow91475

              Actually I think Clive has got the calculation correct please ignore my drivel. However have you tried Walsall Model Industries they may have some suitable castings off the shelf. Phone number 01922 633718

              Andy

              #869175
              JasonB
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                @jasonb

                Playing with what the ID of the rim may be and how far towards the hub you can get with a 1/16″ dia cutter this is what you will likely end up with. Angle is between 0.6 and 0.7 deg so I would be inclined to use 40mins as it’s an easy number to read off the R/T. But give the numbers I asked for and you can have it exact but will have to wait until the morning.

                green arrow

                #869178
                Clive Foster
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                  @clivefoster55965

                  Andy

                  If you are following a drawing with all the angles set out as per good industrial practice it is indeed much easier with a universal table that can be given angular offset. Basically set up for parallel spokes then put the taper on using the universal table.

                  Not much difference when working from scratch tho’. A universal table has its own issues too.

                  Initial visualisation of what the offset and angle changes do on the real part is the first timers problem until things click.

                  Wonder how well one of those baby laser pointers would do instead of a pencil or felt pen if using the trace a drawing method to verify your settings.

                  Clive

                  PS Nice drawing Jason.

                  #869181
                  duncan webster 1
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                    @duncanwebster1

                    Driving wheels have an oval shaped hub to fit the crankpin. Trying to cut them from solid without CNC is not something I would undertake

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