Steam engine oiler conundrum

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    Mike Hurley
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      Mike Hurley
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        On the largish vintage engine I'm restoring, (see 'Work in progress' forum) there is a capped tube next to exhaust outlet on the steam chest. About 1 1/2" long and just under 1/2" OD with 1/8" BSP thread each end.
        One end screws into the casting the other has a screwed hex brass cap tightly fitted. The bottom feeds a groove in the steam chest casting that leads to the mating surfaces for the slide valve. So obviously a lubricator of some kind.

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        My query is that as it only has a 1/4" hole drilled straight through, is it simply manual oiling point i.e. before running the engine, unscrew the caps and give them a good squirt from a can?
        There is no provision for reservoirs or attachments to hold copper wires for suspending wicks etc and no obvious signs of any type of drip feed needle etc. it's just a straight hole!
        If, as I strongly suspect, it's simply a manual oiling point, how long is one good squidge of oil going to last in a hot steam chest? (I suppose that's a bit of a 'how long is a piece of string' type question though).
        It is a very early engine that, as far as I know, pre-dates 'fancy' displacement oilers or mechanical feed systems. Unfortunately all the 'ancilliary' bits were missing when I got the engine so I have been working in the dark somewhat.
        Perhaps some of the loco building fraternity might be familiar with this sort of thing on early examples?
        Any useful comments much appreciated. Regards Mike

        #533618
        Harry Wilkes
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          Could it have been where a displacement lubricator was once fitted

          H

          #533623
          not done it yet
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            @notdoneityet

            Is this an area where grease, instead of oil, could have been the lubricant? If so, I would expect a right angle coupler to a screw-down grease cap. A complete guess from me.

            #533628
            Michael Gilligan
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              Going purely by the visual appearance; I would think that "hex brass cap" has seen a lot of handling.

              01. unscrew cap

              02. apply oil

              03. replace cap

              04. pause

              05. GoTo 01

              MichaelG.

              #533630
              Dave Halford
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                The steam chest is under steam pressure so any oiler has to be capable of overcoming that, gravity type feeds will just let the steam out.

                #533631
                MichaelR
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                  @michaelr

                  It could have been fitted with a Suet lubricator they have a shut off tap fitted see Link

                  MichaelR

                  Edited By MichaelR on 13/03/2021 15:33:31

                  #533632
                  Michael Gilligan
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                    Posted by Dave Halford on 13/03/2021 15:19:00:

                    The steam chest is under steam pressure so any oiler has to be capable of overcoming that, gravity type feeds will just let the steam out.

                    .

                    That'll teach me not to go by appearances blush

                    MichaelG.

                    #533633
                    JasonB
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                      Posted by Dave Halford on 13/03/2021 15:19:00:

                      The steam chest is under steam pressure so any oiler has to be capable of overcoming that, gravity type feeds will just let the steam out.

                      Only if you want to oil while running.smiley

                      It could also have been plumbed in to a mechanical lubricator that would have incorporated a NR valve in the form of a ball.

                      You want an oiler with a cock. Then you can refill it on the run.

                      #533691
                      Mike Hurley
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                        @mikehurley60381

                        Thanks for all the replies chaps, gives me some food for thought. If the pipe had been all there was – i.e. with an open end I might have suspected it may have been connected to some external feed or pipe etc.in the past However, as MichaelG noted – that cap really has the look and feel of well handled brass! It's also a very good fit, internally it is nicely flat to provide an excellent seal against the top of the pipe, which makes me feel it was a regular task of the operator to be using it. Theres not a lot of room around it so any kind of additional reservoir or device wouldn't fit I think.,difficult to see from the pics, but there's only just enough room for your fingers to unscrew the cap.

                        Still, I appreciate your time and trouble. If anything else comes to mind, I'll be more than happy to hear ideas!

                        Projects like this don't half help keep you mind active.

                        regards, Mike

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