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    richard 2
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      @richard2

      Morning all

      Some advice, please.

      I have to machine the centre out of an ali block (it will be a steamchest for a vertical engine) leaving a 4mm wall;

      Block measures 1.1/2" x 2.1/4"

      using a 1/4" slotting cutter –

      What rpm and what depth of cut ?

      A long job methinks!

      Mill is new Warco WS18 – excellent machine -waiting for engineer to fit power feed to table – it was overlooked before delivery.

      Many thanks for help.

      Richard 2.

      #25922
      richard 2
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        @richard2
        #348627
        richard 2
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          @richard2

          Sorry forgot to say that block is 1/" thick.

          richard 2.

          #348629
          richard 2
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            @richard2

            Sorry – should read 1/2" thick.

            Hope my machining is better than my typing.

            richard2.

            #348632
            Bob Rodgerson
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              @bobrodgerson97362

              Richard,

              I assume the block is to be machined completely through. If it is I would advise drilling through holes to take out most of the material. The drilled holes will also act as drain holes for coolant and allow cuttings to clear, which is essential for aluminium to avoid cuttings building up on the cutter which will result in the cutter snapping. Take cuts of about 1/8"- 3/16" max with as high a speed as you have. Listen out for any signs of chatter in the form of a high pitched screaming noise and reduce the feed/RPM to get the optimum rates.

              Good luck.

              Edited By Bob Rodgerson on 03/04/2018 11:16:44

              #348636
              mechman48
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                @mechman48

                Hi Richard 2

                Have a look at …

                milling info.jpg

                Focus is not the best for a scanner but it gives you a rule of thumb to work with for the future, plenty of coolant, WD40 is good for Ally, listening to the cutter is a good indicator of action of the cutter, see Bob's comments

                George.

                #348646
                JasonB
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                  @jasonb

                  I'd stitch drill it out with a 1/4" split point stub drill then clean up the faces with a 10mm ali specific cutter full 1/2" deep cuts going in 0.040" (1mm) at a time. 1200-1500rpm and a splash of paraffin. Stitch it right and there is no need to saw, just knocks out and 3 passes will have the job cleaned up to finished size.

                   

                  This one is 15mm thick done as above though I used a smaller cutter as I wanted a smaller fillet in the corners.

                  Edited By JasonB on 03/04/2018 12:44:28

                  Edited By JasonB on 03/04/2018 13:18:21

                  #348649
                  SillyOldDuffer
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                    @sillyoldduffer
                    Posted by richard 2 on 03/04/2018 11:04:44:

                    Morning all

                    Some advice, please.

                    I have to machine the centre out of an ali block (it will be a steamchest for a vertical engine) leaving a 4mm wall;

                    Block measures 1.1/2" x 2.1/4"

                    using a 1/4" slotting cutter –

                    What rpm and what depth of cut ?

                    A long job methinks!

                    Mill is new Warco WS18 – excellent machine -waiting for engineer to fit power feed to table – it was overlooked before delivery.

                    Many thanks for help.

                    Richard 2.

                    Various ways of doing this for example I'd probably use either a big cutter (say 20mm) or chain drill and saw to rough out the block's centre:

                    ali_block.jpg

                    Could be done by cutting a channel with a 1/4" slotting drill but a small bendy cutter like that will much reduce the rate at which you can remove metal.

                    A few rules of thumb I find useful:

                    • RPM = 10000 / tool diameter in mm. ( So my 20mm cutter would be spun at 500rpm, your 1/4" cutter at 1600rpm : not perfect but the estimate will put you in the right ball-park )
                    • A milling cutter can take up to 20% of it's diameter off in one cut. This is a bit harsh on a hobby machine, so I take 10 – 15%. Thus a big cutter will remove metal faster than a small one. 20% of 20mm is a 4mm deep cut. 20% of 1/4" is 1.3mm on a much smaller radius.
                    • At industrial rates 1HP motor can remove about 1 cubic inch of steel per minute. You will be removing about 2.3 cubic inches, so the job could be done by a WM18 in 2 to 3 minutes. Actually it will take longer because you have to work within the limitations of the cutter, ie the need to take 6 or 7 passes at 4mm each.

                    The rules-of-thumb apply to mild-steel. Aluminium is softer and easier to cut but beware of it sticking to the cutting edge and rubbing. Splash plenty WD40 or paraffin on it with a brush.

                    After roughing out the centre I'd tidy up with a smaller diameter cutter – they can get into corners.

                    Dave

                    #348708
                    Simon Williams 3
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                      @simonwilliams3

                      +1 with Bob Rodgerson from me about making a hole right through early on in the procedure, as this lets you rinse the swarf out of the way. Cutting and re-cutting the loose material slows you down at best, and snaps the cutter only too easily. So you really need enough coolant to wash the cutter area clean, not just to lubricate the cutting edge. This is the one situation where the mess and commotion of flood coolant is worthwhile. All the calculations and rules of thumb for tooth load and cutter speed go out of the window if the cutter load is mostly recutting what it has already loosened. So it is worth cutting a hole right through the work piece, and washing the chips/swarf away so gravity is your friend.

                      Failing that you can achieve much the same result by blowing compressed air at the cutter to carry the swarf out of the immediate work area. This potentially makes even more mess than flood coolant!

                      Be very careful to protect your eyes before blowing compressed air onto swarf chips.

                      HTH Simon

                      #348713
                      Neil Wyatt
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                        @neilwyatt

                        Not sure I would faff about with all those holes. Use an uncoated carbide cutter at 1600–2000 rpm, you can do it in four passes 1/8" deep feeding the cutter as fast as it is comfortable. Just watch out for any build up on the cutter, felt as resistance to feeding.

                        Neil

                        #348714
                        John Reese
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                          @johnreese12848

                          A drill is the fastest way to clear material. Chain drilling is one alternative. Another way is to take out the bulk of the material using a series of holes with the largest drill that is feasible. Then make a series of plunge cuts with a fairly large end mill to clear away the material between the drilled holes. After that you can finish with your smaller end mill. You can cut aluminum at 500 to 600 ft/min using HSS tools. With carbide you can easily run 5 to 6 times the speed for HSS. The maximum speed available on your mill may limit you to lower cutting speeds. Kerosene or WD40 are popular lubricants when cutting aluminum. I prefer a mist of soluble oil. The mist helps blow out chips that otherwise might be recut.

                          #348739
                          richard 2
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                            @richard2

                            Many thanks everyone.

                            Block chain-drilled and centre fell out.

                            Now end-milling the sides.

                            Smashing forum this – I knew lots of people would know the best way.

                            richard2.

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