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  • #114873
    The Merry Miller
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      @themerrymiller

      The two Ni-Cad batteries supplied with my Bosch 24v cordless drill have finally given up the ghost after twelve years.

      Looking at the price of a pair of new ones it's really a no brainer to replace them.

      The question is, what new drill do I go for in the light of this forums' vast experience?

      Len. P.

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      The Merry Miller
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        @themerrymiller
        #114875
        Bazyle
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          @bazyle

          If you have two packs and strip them down you might find enough cells still ok to make one pack.

          #114876
          Ian S C
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            @iansc

            Don't know about other places, but there is a firm here that will either break down, and reload your battery pack for about half the price of a new battery, or will supply the cells so you can DIY, and usually you can increase the amp hour rating. I'v done it for a number of things, like my vidio camera, and cordless hedge trimmer. Ian S C

            #114877
            Springbok
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              @springbok

              Bosch and there is a shed load of retailerers selling them including B&Q

              Bob

              #114880
              Rob keeves
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                @robkeeves73950

                As a tradesman using these tools daily Bosch are ok but the best by far is a Makita i have two of these and they have never failed me, i would steer clear Dewalt tho.

                #114882
                Ed Duffner
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                  @edduffner79357

                  Hi Len, It depends on what you require the drill to do, i.e. do you need a hammer drill and cordless screwdriver with clutch etc as well.

                  I agree with Rob about Makita, my brother sells and repairs them. There is also another make as good as Makita but can't remember the name. Bosch are very good. I used Bosch power tools for years as an electrician but they're considered mid range nowadays.

                  #114883
                  Captain Biggles
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                    @captainbiggles

                    +1 for Makita. Got the 18v drill & impact driver set & they're brutal.

                    #114886
                    The Merry Miller
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                      @themerrymiller

                      My Bosch was a hammer drill plus screwdriver with clutch and reversing, I should imagine all the driver drills have reversing !

                      Thinking about it now, I haven't done much hammering with it I tend to use the mains drill for that.

                      Len. P.

                      #114888
                      The Merry Miller
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                        @themerrymiller

                        I notice on surfing the net that Makita seem to plump for Li-Po batteries now, I was using NiCd cells way back in the '70's but it looks like they are on their way out although DeWalt are still using them.

                        Len. P.

                        #114894
                        Chris Shelton
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                          @chrisshelton11794

                          Have a look at AEG Lithium ion drills, I use the 12 volt drills and nut drivers on a daily basis, they are superb, battery life and recharging times.

                          HTH

                          #114901
                          Chris Parsons
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                            @chrisparsons64193

                            Comment about Nickel Cadmium (NiCd) batteries being old(ish) technology is valid – they self discharge while a Lithium battery will stay charged (unused) for much longer.

                            I recently bought an 18v Bosch cordless with lithium batteries, cost me 80 something quid from Amazon but it was cheaper than replacing my old battery pack that got fried when my old charger expired

                            Been very good so far, but I think they are not the best nowadays as has been mentioned – Ok for light domestic use (I have a bench drill now for the more serious stuff…)

                            So I now have a Black and Decker cordless motor looking for a new use <g>

                            Chris

                            #114905
                            Russell Eberhardt
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                              @russelleberhardt48058

                              Cut the battery open carefully and replace the cells with tagged NiMh cells from Maplin or at half the price from an Ebay seller. NiMH cells can be charged with the same charger as NiCads.

                              Russell.

                              #114910
                              john fletcher 1
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                                @johnfletcher1

                                Regarding dead Ni-Cad batteries.Open up the case, locate the duff cell with a multi meter. then with the aid of a car battery Zap the duff cell observing polarity, a power supply is not man enough. I connect a lead to the neg of the drill battery pack from the car battery and then flick the car battery pos onto the pos of the duff cell or cells, I have a home made Ni-Cad charger and I carry out the former with the charger connected, and it usually jogs the duff cell back into life, not had many failure pleased to say. I have spare battery on the bench that won't start the car and use it.Oh, forgot to say you will get a bit of sparking going on so be careful not to have any petrol around. Some say they have had a cell blow open so be careful, its never happen to me and I've done quite a few.I don't think I get 100% life back but its worth a try.Ted

                                #114911
                                Raymond Anderson
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                                  @raymondanderson34407

                                  Len, As a bricklayer I don't think you will get better than Hilti , whether it's rechargable or 110v but be prepared to fork out a lot of dough. They might be seen as overkill for domestic use but they will last forever. Metabo are also excellent tools, but again expensive. It's like everything else, you get what you pay for.

                                  Regards,

                                  Raymond.

                                  #114919
                                  Rob keeves
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                                    @robkeeves73950

                                    The other make i would look at and seconding raymond would be Metabo.

                                    #114923
                                    NJH
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                                      @njh

                                      Sorry to put a damper on the " Bosch is Best" brigade – that's what I thought when I bought a Bosch about five years ago. Sad to say that too has succumbed to the "charge for ages then go flat quickly" disease. I think that, like so many things today, these power tools are ultimately expendable items. I'm not too sad about that as I guess it's cost me the equivalent of about £10 a year over its life – I have used and abused it and it has been a faithful friend throughout. Time for a peaceful rest at the tip methinks!

                                      Cheers

                                      Norman

                                       

                                      Edited By NJH on 21/03/2013 20:34:23

                                      #114928
                                      Sub Mandrel
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                                        @submandrel

                                        At work we use Makita, Makita and Makita in that order.

                                        I saw the chap who buys the gear using something different. He said it was his own and was from Lidl – basically he said it worked as well as the Makita, and was fine for him as it didn't need to cope with being used by blind gorillas with ten thumbs.

                                        Neil

                                        #114930
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                                          @mgnbuk

                                          We have been using Hitachi battery drills at work for a number of years. The older ones came with Ni-Cads, but the latest have Li-on battery packs. The latest charger recognises the battery pack type (Ni-Cad, NiMh or Li-on) inserted & charges accordingly.

                                          No idea of price, as I don't buy them. But they have proved very robust in industrial use & when the first one died (the overload clutch failed – they get used a lot for screwing together packing cases out of OSB ), it was replaced with another of the same make.

                                          #114936
                                          Chris Trice
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                                            @christrice43267

                                            You’ll have real trouble sourcing Nicads since they’ve been phased out because of their cadmium content (like traditional silver solder). Don’t bother replacing single cells either. This is a false economy because if the pack is old and one cell has died, the others won’t be far behind it. You could replace the lot with NiMh (Nickel Metal Hydride) or Lithium cells but there are good deals to be had out there on complete new kit and then the drill is low mileage too.

                                            Edited By Chris Trice on 21/03/2013 23:33:57

                                            #114937
                                            Chris Trice
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                                              @christrice43267

                                              The capacity of modern batteries like LiPo are way higher than the old nicads too and frequently smaller/lighter. Their only downside is because of the high power levels stored in them, if they short, they really short. The larger LiPo’s have steel banding around them to stop them exploding should they short.

                                              #114938
                                              Chris Trice
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                                                @christrice43267

                                                … And they require a dedicated LiPo charger.

                                                #114939
                                                Bazyle
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                                                  @bazyle

                                                  It seems likely that the battery will give out before the mechanics unless you abuse it. Therefore it may not be worth gettiing one that is too good mechanically as the batteries will be the same as the cheap one and die just as quickly.

                                                  If you end up with mechanics but no battery it may be possible to run it off a bench power supply as a drill with – shock horror – wires!. The next dead one you can make into a power feed for a small mill etc. Worst case if you are going to chuck it and it is lowish voltage give it to a boat modeller who can use the motor.

                                                  #114945
                                                  Michael Gilligan
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                                                    @michaelgilligan61133
                                                    Posted by Chris Trice on 21/03/2013 23:32:38:
                                                    … And they require a dedicated LiPo charger.

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                                                    This seems to be a useful reference for those intereseted in LiPo and/or Li-ion

                                                    MichaelG.

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                                                    P.S.  Here is Boeing's Dreamliner site

                                                    Edited By Michael Gilligan on 22/03/2013 08:21:43

                                                    #114950
                                                    john fletcher 1
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                                                      @johnfletcher1

                                                      Maybe some of the cells are US, but if you have more than one batteries it is easy to swap over a cell or two. The straps can be soldered using a large iron (be quick).Alternatively the drill as some one ealier said be converted to low voltage use, using a power supply. I use ex smoothing iron flex, remove the cell from the battery box, put in place some concrete to act as stabilizer (stop it falling over when not in use) and using a non standard plug, wire up the drill. My home made power supply is actually a 24 volt battery charger transformer and rectifier which was thrown out by a neighbour as the case had rusted away, I fitted an electrolytic capacitor to give a bit of smoothing. The transformer had several tappings so it now is 18 volts output and I run my 14.4 volt drill from it. It doesn't over heat and out of interest I ran the drill for a while on 24 volts with no apparent harm. I have several drills obtained from car boot sales, good enough for home workshop use, All have good gear boxes and chucks for 50p or a £1. After all we are not in business have a go nothing to lose.Ted

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