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    michael howarth 1
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      I recently bought a small hand pump which I believe was originally designed as part of an engine starting system (diesel?). I intend to use it to pump stored rainwater around the garden but also to hydraulically test model boilers. However it has gross overcapacity for the latter task with a working pressure in excess of 3000psi and an output per cycle of 1.25 cubic inches.

      If however, an adjustable relief valve in conjunction with a pressure gauge were to be incorporated into the pump output line it might be possible to use it to test small boilers without blowing them to kingdom come.

      My question is, what type of relief valve do I require and where should it be located in the output line?

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      michael howarth 1
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        #98150
        Springbok
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          Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen, take your small boilers to your club tester. safer and you may live longer.

          Bob

          #98151
          Michael Gilligan
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            Bob,

            I am bewildered by your response … but eager to learn.

            My understanding [such as it is] being that Hydraulic Testing is an inherently safe procedure.

            [ assuming the use of a hand pump rather than "hydraulic mains".]

            … if the vessel fails, then the pressure drops to zero with the leakage of a single stroke's worth of liquid.

            Could you please explain your concerns?

            Thanks

            MichaelG.

            #98154
            Terryd
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              Hi Michael,

              why not build a simple hand operated hydraulic pump such as the one in Stan Bray's book? That would solve the problem of excess pressure with not too much effort. Just remember to include a pressure gauge in the system.

              hand pump section.jpg

              Regards

              Terry

              #98159
              jason udall
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                Mike G.. ever seen 3000 psi pin hole leak?

                true with hand pump its up to you when to quit pumping but even hydralic leaks can be deadly

                #98167
                Michael Gilligan
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                  @michaelgilligan61133

                  Jason,

                  I don't think anyone has suggested using a pressure of 3000 psi … Mick was specifically asking about relief valves.

                  Surely, the "rating" of a hand pump is like the "Safe Working Load" of Lifting Gear … it's the level beyond which the PUMP might fail … The pump should be capable of use at anything below its rating.

                  A hand-operated mechanical pump is equivalent to a lever, a gearbox, or a pulley system: The output pressure is some simple multiple of the input pressure, and the stroke/flow is the inverse of that ratio.

                  MichaelG.

                  P.S. I do prefer to be called Michael, not Mike.

                  #98174
                  jason udall
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                     Michael,..Quite and i doubt that anyone need proof testing of steam boilers anywhere near that.

                    but care needs taking.. not just with item under test..hydralics is "safer" for the reasons already mentioned..but can still bite.

                     

                    P.S. I do prefer to be called Michael, not Mike.

                    .. so slight implied

                    back to the OP..relief valve…MMM stop pumping?

                    Edited By jason udall on 11/09/2012 12:03:40

                    #98176
                    michael howarth 1
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                      @michaelhowarth1

                      Thanks for your response Michael which I think sums things up in a nutshell.

                      I have already bought the pump but also in the past have made tender type pumps. The pump that I have bought is of similar design to a tender type pump and is of moderate dimensions….about 6inches long. As you have said, because it is capable of pumping to 3000psi…..a reflection on the quality of design I suspect……does not mean that it only pumps at 3000psi. Perhaps it would have been more understandable if I had said between 0psi and 3000psi. The output pressure is only proportional to the force applied to the piston through the pumping lever.

                      However because this pump's cylinder is of greater capacity than the average tender type pump it would not take much to exert more pressure than intended……..hence my requirement for an adjustable pressure relief valve to be used in conjunction with a suitable pressure gauge.

                      #98179
                      Michael Gilligan
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                        Mick,

                        Just thinking "out of the box" for a moment:

                        I'm guessing that the pump has a long-ish handle …

                        Could you perhaps fit some brackets and drive the handle with a screw [somehing like an M8 caphead] ? This would give you a very controllable feed, with almost no risk of overshoot.

                        MichaelG.

                        #98215
                        michael howarth 1
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                          @michaelhowarth1

                          Thanks for those thoughts Michael. What you suggest I think would be quite feasible and worth serious consideration. I have also found some pressure relief valves used in domestic plumbing which are cheap and should maintain pressure in the region of 6 -10 Bar and these might be OK for my purposes. Alternatively I suppose I could just make a scaled up version of a steam safety valve.

                          #98240
                          Ian S C
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                            The pump that Terry shows would be well worth building, as well as a pressure testing pump, it can be used as a feed pump on your boiler. I think its the lift of the ball valves that is 1 mm. Ian S C

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