Posted by peter stallard 1 on 14/03/2018 10:41:46:
It is a well known fact that although cheaper, in some cases to buy, third world machines are not as robust as second hand British equivalents. The overriding factor is that companies offer accessories with their machines which are attractive to buyers, but this is not always economical, you still pay for those accessories but it is a hidden cost as the machines themselves have such a good markup on profit, you pay for the lack of quality in both the steel and cast iron. Understandably , everyone is on a budget, but it can be a false economy in the long run.
Far Eastern vs old British is a well trodden debate on the forum. There's much to be said on both sides. Dare I suggest though that Peter's point of view isn't entirely gospel. He:
- Resurrects a 5 year old post, never a convincing platform
- Starts by claiming "It is a well known fact…", when actually it's "a well known opinion"
- Uses the term "third world", which has lost it's original meaning
- Assumes lack of quality explains cheapness rather than considering the possibility that selling price also reflect economies of scale, cheap labour costs, tax advantages, competition, and a competent understanding of the market. Possibly there are state subsidies as well.
- Plays the 'false economy in the long run' card. Maybe, maybe not. In professional engineering circles 'the long run' isn't a respectable argument. Particularly when old kit has to compete with someone who has invested in the latest and best available. Better to choose after defining what's meant by 'Fit for Purpose' and 'Value for Money'. What that means to me might be very different to what it means to you: it's unwise to generalise.
One way beginners make a start in the hobby is by searching the internet. I feel it's not helpful for them to read posts casting unnecessary doubt on their most straightforward entry method, ie buying a new hobby machine. The implication that only western lathes are worth having is very misleading. Yes you will be pleased if you pick up a good one. But there are plenty of worn out crocks too. Experienced buyers know what to look for; I'd suggest a beginner is better off de-risking his purchase by buying new. Not because the quality of the machine is better; it's because new purchases benefit from consumer protection law.
Above all I think it's more important to make a start than worrying about where and when your first lathe was manufactured. After a couple of years experience, it's much easier to make informed decisions about what you really want. By all means change your mind. My Chinese kit isn't as refined as I would like but it does all I need of it, at the right price, and I've not regretted buying it. As to longevity, I expect it will see me out.
Dave