Social Distancing

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Harry Wilkes on 02/08/2020 15:14:18:

Posted by Dave Halford on 02/08/2020 11:34:40:

The crowd issue is a simple one.

When covid was just a dose of flu the 20 to 30 something age group were told they would hardly be affected. A year earlier they were told they had to work till 70 to support the current crop of retired old scroungers.

Put the two together and they see it as a win win. The English Covid resurgence has been recognised as being driven by this age group.

Grow up !!!!!!!

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Harry

May I suggest that you think a little deeper about what Dave wrote [ignoring your own emboldenment of five words]?

It may, for effect, have been written as if there was actual malicious intent … but the underlying psychology is credible.

MichaelG.

[Paul MParticipant @paulm98238]

The only person I ever take note of with regard to Covid-19.

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 03/08/2020 08:34:37:

Posted by Harry Wilkes on 02/08/2020 15:14:18:

Posted by Dave Halford on 02/08/2020 11:34:40:

The crowd issue is a simple one.

When covid was just a dose of flu the 20 to 30 something age group were told they would hardly be affected. A year earlier they were told they had to work till 70 to support the current crop of retired old scroungers.

Put the two together and they see it as a win win. The English Covid resurgence has been recognised as being driven by this age group.

Grow up !!!!!!!

.

Harry

May I suggest that you think a little deeper about what Dave wrote [ignoring your own emboldenment of five words]?

It may, for effect, have been written as if there was actual malicious intent … but the underlying psychology is credible.

MichaelG.

Do you seriously believe that anyone aged 20 to 30 thinks for an instant that they will ever be even close to 70 years old?

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Hopper on 03/08/2020 09:04:45:

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 03/08/2020 08:34:37:

Do you seriously believe that anyone aged 20 to 30 thinks for an instant that they will ever be even close to 70 years old?

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My point was that thinking doesn’t come into it … we are witnessing the subconscious at work.

MichaelG.

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

At 30 you're indestructible, I know I was until I fell off a cliff

USA is a good indicator IMO

900k births 150k deaths in 4 months =15%

Not worried at all

My previous generations had WW1 and 2 to deal with, the Spanish flu and whatever else

Every generation or two gets tested by the gods and the last 50 years have been a doddle compared to the previous 2000 years

[Mike PooleParticipant @mikepoole82104]

The elbow bump is reasonably safe if a contact greeting is required, the best thing about this virus is that it keeps the huggers and kissers away, alright for the continentals but a handshake is fine in Britain.

Mike

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 03/08/2020 09:15:35:

Posted by Hopper on 03/08/2020 09:04:45:

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 03/08/2020 08:34:37:

Do you seriously believe that anyone aged 20 to 30 thinks for an instant that they will ever be even close to 70 years old?

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My point was that thinking doesn’t come into it … we are witnessing the subconscious at work.

MichaelG.

Are we? How do we know?

[blowlampParticipant @blowlamp]

Posted by Hopper on 03/08/2020 00:27:42:

Posted by blowlamp on 02/08/2020 12:51:47:

For anyone open to another view. This is what front line doctors think:

I can't see why people prefer the opinion of politicians over medical professionals.

I see from the pictures that the teams aren't distanced either

Edited By blowlamp on 02/08/2020 12:54:09

Edited By blowlamp on 02/08/2020 12:54:45

Edited By blowlamp on 02/08/2020 12:57:07

Bwahaha. That's the same doctor who says modern medicines contain alien DNA. A real reliable source for sure.

Which one of those doctors?

Be honest, you haven't watched the video have you?

[blowlampParticipant @blowlamp]

Posted by Mick B1 on 03/08/2020 07:34:57:

Posted by Hopper on 03/08/2020 00:27:42:

Posted by blowlamp on 02/08/2020 12:51:47:

For anyone open to another view. This is what front line doctors think:

I can't see why people prefer the opinion of politicians over medical professionals.

I see from the pictures that the teams aren't distanced either

Edited By blowlamp on 02/08/2020 12:54:09

Edited By blowlamp on 02/08/2020 12:54:45

Edited By blowlamp on 02/08/2020 12:57:07

Bwahaha. That's the same doctor who says modern medicines contain alien DNA. A real reliable source for sure.

That's why it got taken down from social media days ago.

You think censoring doctors with real-world experience is the right thing to do?

This thread is more frightening than any virus – the complete lack of ability for anyone to be inquisitive about what's happening is appauling. You'll be wearing wellies to the shops if you're told to, won't you?

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

Posted by blowlamp on 03/08/2020 11:14:43:

Posted by Mick B1 on 03/08/2020 07:34:57:

Posted by Hopper on 03/08/2020 00:27:42:

Posted by blowlamp on 02/08/2020 12:51:47:

For anyone open to another view. This is what front line doctors think:

I can't see why people prefer the opinion of politicians over medical professionals.

I see from the pictures that the teams aren't distanced either

Edited By blowlamp on 02/08/2020 12:54:09

Edited By blowlamp on 02/08/2020 12:54:45

Edited By blowlamp on 02/08/2020 12:57:07

Bwahaha. That's the same doctor who says modern medicines contain alien DNA. A real reliable source for sure.

That's why it got taken down from social media days ago.

You think censoring doctors with real-world experience is the right thing to do?

This thread is more frightening than any virus – the complete lack of ability for anyone to be inquisitive about what's happening is appauling. You'll be wearing wellies to the shops if you're told to, won't you?

Real world experience of alien DNA?

[Steve PaveyParticipant @stevepavey65865]

Posted by blowlamp on 03/08/2020 11:14:43:

Posted by Mick B1 on 03/08/2020 07:34:57:

Posted by Hopper on 03/08/2020 00:27:42:

Posted by blowlamp on 02/08/2020 12:51:47:

For anyone open to another view. This is what front line doctors think:

I can't see why people prefer the opinion of politicians over medical professionals.

I see from the pictures that the teams aren't distanced either

 

 

Edited By blowlamp on 02/08/2020 12:54:09

Edited By blowlamp on 02/08/2020 12:54:45

Edited By blowlamp on 02/08/2020 12:57:07

Bwahaha. That's the same doctor who says modern medicines contain alien DNA. A real reliable source for sure.

That's why it got taken down from social media days ago.

 

 

You think censoring doctors with real-world experience is the right thing to do?

This thread is more frightening than any virus – the complete lack of ability for anyone to be inquisitive about what's happening is appauling. You'll be wearing wellies to the shops if you're told to, won't you?

The woman doctor speaking in that video is Stella Emmanuel from Houston. Trump retweeted her video and it got taken down. She touts hydroxychloroquine as a cure, discounts masks in spite of the current evidence to the contrary, and as MickB1 says has some crazy notions about aliens and dna. She is part of a group of doctors known to be part of a very right wing group which backs Trump. In short, the whole video is a few credible but unproven claims backed up by unscientific and sometimes plainly wrong assertions, all of which have been comprehensively debunked by a number of more credible people.

yes, we should be open minded and look at all the possible means of transmission and infection, as well as all possible means of treatment and prevention. But we don’t have to be so open minded that our brains fall out. And is wearing a mask really that difficult? Even I can manage that.

Edited By Steve Pavey on 03/08/2020 12:08:33

[blowlampParticipant @blowlamp]

Posted by Hopper on 03/08/2020 11:48:55:

Posted by blowlamp on 03/08/2020 11:14:43:

Posted by Mick B1 on 03/08/2020 07:34:57:

Posted by Hopper on 03/08/2020 00:27:42:

Posted by blowlamp on 02/08/2020 12:51:47:

For anyone open to another view. This is what front line doctors think:

I can't see why people prefer the opinion of politicians over medical professionals.

I see from the pictures that the teams aren't distanced either

Edited By blowlamp on 02/08/2020 12:54:09

Edited By blowlamp on 02/08/2020 12:54:45

Edited By blowlamp on 02/08/2020 12:57:07

Bwahaha. That's the same doctor who says modern medicines contain alien DNA. A real reliable source for sure.

That's why it got taken down from social media days ago.

You think censoring doctors with real-world experience is the right thing to do?

This thread is more frightening than any virus – the complete lack of ability for anyone to be inquisitive about what's happening is appauling. You'll be wearing wellies to the shops if you're told to, won't you?

Real world experience of alien DNA?

Which doctor? Evidence please, or you're making it up.

[pgk pgkParticipant @pgkpgk17461]

If you subscribe to the theory of comets and meteors delivering proteins then we're all alien….

As to C-19 there is no plan to eradicate it. It's a holding game pending a vaccine with indisputable damage to the economy meanwhile. PlanB is herd immunity…60-80% The easiest way is to let the younger survivable 80% catch it and ring fence the older folk until they croak (mostly from inadequate health care under current access) from old age..

There's no shortage of N95 masks online now if you want to protect yourself better when shopping (assuming budget allows) Lesser face coverings don't protect you.. they help protect others only.

pgk

[Mick B1Participant @mickb1]

Posted by blowlamp on 03/08/2020 11:14:43:

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You think censoring doctors with real-world experience is the right thing to do?

This thread is more frightening than any virus – the complete lack of ability for anyone to be inquisitive about what's happening is appauling. You'll be wearing wellies to the shops if you're told to, won't you?

I didn't really think it's the the right thing to do to censor doctors, but that doesn't mean I necessarily believe uncritically what they say either. The thing has been going long enough now for huge propaganda machines to get going on all sides. The whole media circus seems like Robot Wars between such machines these days, and as pointlessly damaging.

You can only suit your own behaviour to avoid risk of contagion as far as you practically can. Very unfortunately there are very many people whose circumstances restrict their opportunity to do so without severe loss of quality of life.

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

Moving things on a bit – has anyone else noticed they have had fewer minor coughs and colds during the last 6 months, allowing for it being summer? I have and wonder how much is through not being at work where 50% of people have children and others have extended famly contacts, extensive international travel and other sources of trivial infections. My last 3 day cold was two weeks before lockdown as a result of a business trip staying at an airport hotel in Manchester.

[JAParticipant @ja]

Posted by Bazyle on 03/08/2020 13:19:56:

Moving things on a bit – has anyone else noticed they have had fewer minor coughs and colds during the last 6 months, allowing for it being summer? I have and wonder how much is through not being at work where 50% of people have children and others have extended famly contacts, extensive international travel and other sources of trivial infections. My last 3 day cold was two weeks before lockdown as a result of a business trip staying at an airport hotel in Manchester.

My first winter cough/cold usually arrives two days after attending my local surgery's flu vaccination morning.

JA

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Hopper on 03/08/2020 10:19:18:

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 03/08/2020 09:15:35:.

My point was that thinking doesn’t come into it … we are witnessing the subconscious at work.

MichaelG.

Are we? How do we know?

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We don’t know … it was an hypothesis: a possible explanation for an observed phenomenon.

MichaelG.

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

I like the alien theory

Took a couple of David Icke fans to his gig at the Edinburgh Festival a couple of years ago

They seemed to be thoroughly decent and sensible people

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by blowlamp on 03/08/2020 10:58:22:

Posted by Hopper on 03/08/2020 00:27:42:

Posted by blowlamp on 02/08/2020 12:51:47:

For anyone open to another view. This is what front line doctors think:

…

Bwahaha. That's the same doctor who says modern medicines contain alien DNA. A real reliable source for sure.

Which one of those doctors?

Be honest, you haven't watched the video have you?

I have – it's carp. They should be struck off. Early on Dr. Stella Immanuel explains how the effect Hydroxychloroquine has on hiccups proves the drug is effective against Covid-19. Seriously flawed logic.

"America's Frontline Doctors" are a right-wing group not frontline doctors! Members have controversial political and personal views. The main medical agenda of the group is promotion of the anti-malarial drug Hydroxychloroquine, prices of which rocketed after being recommended by President Trump.

Unfortunately Hydroxychloroquine since been shown to have no beneficial effect on Covid-19 patients. The UK's Recovery Trial (1542 patients given the drug) concluded:

'The results showed 25.7% of people taking hydroxychloroquine had died after 28 days. This compared with 23.5% who were given standard hospital treatment.'

Not all doctors are trustworthy. I'd cheerfully leave this lot to the tender care of Dr Harold Shipman!

Dave

Edited By SillyOldDuffer on 03/08/2020 15:37:18

[blowlampParticipant @blowlamp]

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 03/08/2020 15:36:18:

Posted by blowlamp on 03/08/2020 10:58:22:

Posted by Hopper on 03/08/2020 00:27:42:

Posted by blowlamp on 02/08/2020 12:51:47:

For anyone open to another view. This is what front line doctors think:

…

Bwahaha. That's the same doctor who says modern medicines contain alien DNA. A real reliable source for sure.

Which one of those doctors?

Be honest, you haven't watched the video have you?

I have – it's carp. They should be struck off. Early on Dr. Stella Immanuel explains how the effect Hydroxychloroquine has on hiccups proves the drug is effective against Covid-19. Seriously flawed logic.

"America's Frontline Doctors" are a right-wing group not frontline doctors! Members have controversial political and personal views. The main medical agenda of the group is promotion of the anti-malarial drug Hydroxychloroquine, prices of which rocketed after being recommended by President Trump.

Unfortunately Hydroxychloroquine since been shown to have no beneficial effect on Covid-19 patients. The UK's Recovery Trial (1542 patients given the drug) concluded:

'The results showed 25.7% of people taking hydroxychloroquine had died after 28 days. This compared with 23.5% who were given standard hospital treatment.'

Not all doctors are trustworthy. I'd cheerfully leave this lot to the tender care of Dr Harold Shipman!

Dave

Edited By SillyOldDuffer on 03/08/2020 15:37:18

I'm so looking forward to the upcoming 'How did we end up here?' thread.

[Frances IoMParticipant @francesiom58905]

How did we end up here ? – BBC R4 has an attempt that started in the 1950s with the smoking causes cancer debate when a bunch of companies deliberately set out to instil doubt by use of dodgy science + ‘experts’ who had skin in the game to keep people smoking or believed that such health warnings were the slippery road to communism! – https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000l7q1

[MeunierParticipant @meunier]

Posted by Ady1 on 02/08/2020 18:07:12:

If you tweak the social density numbers for the UK and exclude the backwater of Scotland it goes up to 380 people per km

Japan is 335

Now take out Northern Ireland and we get… drumroll

404 folk per sq km

People are packed like fish in a barrel in Engerland, India is 420 ppkm2

Amazed by those figures and still surprised after 20yrs here to note the lack of traffic on the roads in this area, I checked the pop density of our department, the 2nd least densely populated in France, to find it is 29/km² or if my maths is correct 11.31/mile². Small wonder it seems quiet, even compared to Wales. Mind you living in a village pop=156 it's always going to be quiet.
DaveD

Just to compare with Hopper's locale, Queensland is 2.5/km² !

Edited By Meunier on 03/08/2020 20:18:41

[MeunierParticipant @meunier]

Posted by Hopper on 03/08/2020 09:04:45:

Snips//

Do you seriously believe that anyone aged 20 to 30 thinks for an instant that they will ever be even close to 70 years old?

I still don't, even though the dob says I'm 76
DaveD

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