Myford Super 7 Lathe Instruction Manual

[Brian Sweeting 2Participant @briansweeting2]

This may be already to hand for Super 7 owners but I came across a download for the operating manual which may be useful to some. It is a pdf.

Apologies if this is old news.

**LINK**

[Brian Sweeting 2Participant @briansweeting2]

Free pdf download

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

Yes, lots of manuals are ‘for sale’ on epay but are simply rip-offs as most are copies of what is already available from many yahoo fora and others…. for free.

[Douglas JohnstonParticipant @douglasjohnston98463]

Since the original Myford company no longer exists does this mean there are no copyright problems with this manual or does the new owner retain the copyright?

Doug

[KWILParticipant @kwil]

The new owner would have bought "Myford" with all its interlectual property, trade marks etc. available at the time of purchase.

[steamdaveParticipant @steamdave]

There are many Yahoo groups for particular machine tools and there may well be a download of the required manual in the files section. There certainly are for the Myford and Harrison lathes.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/myfordlathes/info
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/harrisonlathe/info

Groups will require joining to access the files.

Dave
The Emerald Isle

Edited By steamdave on 05/03/2018 11:53:24

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Copyright on anonymous works is 70 years in the UK, so I would guess the original Myford manual came out of copyright in 2016.

There are not just 'dodgy ebay sellers' offering copies of manuals far more recent than this.

It seem the general approach in the UK is 'we don't give a s*** about copyright because no-one can afford to sue' from the sellers and most buyers seem to find people protecting their intellectual property rather unseemly

Neil

[Grindstone CowboyParticipant @grindstonecowboy]

Not sure, but is there not a legal requirement for manufacturers to supply instruction manuals / safety information upon request for (dare I say it?) Health & Safety reasons?

Of course, once the original manufacturer has gone out of business it might be different.

[Brian Sweeting 2Participant @briansweeting2]

Beginning to wish that I hadn't started this thread now.

Perhaps the moderators ought to delete this thread to protect the forum from any claims that might present themselves if that is the consensus of the posters here.

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by Rob Rimmer on 06/03/2018 17:21:30:

Not sure, but is there not a legal requirement for manufacturers to supply instruction manuals / safety information upon request for (dare I say it?) Health & Safety reasons?

Of course, once the original manufacturer has gone out of business it might be different.

I think the responsibility is on the purchaser to keep the supplied manual.

Neil

[egaParticipant @ega]

I think it would pay new Myford to make all available manuals downloadable from their website.

[John HaineParticipant @johnhaine32865]

Which is exactly what the vast majority of companies do now – provide copies of manuals etc for download under "support".

Whilst they were at it they could update the Super7 manual to cover later models. For example, in the manual and on their website they could update the specifications so when it says that the Sigma and Connoisseur models have a "spindle precision bored and ground MT4" it also states that the taper is shortened to about half the standard length! That means that rather than buy a standard MT4 blank to make a precision gauge, like I just did, I'll have to turn a shortened taper myself. Guess who supplied the blank?

[Fowlers FuryParticipant @fowlersfury]

A previous thread covered copyright, well maybe not "covered" but tried to address a specific query
**LINK**

"Ownership: The individual who authored the work will exclusively own the work under the 1988 Copyright Act. Only the owner, or his exclusive licensee can bring proceedings in the courts.
Duration: 70 years from the end of the calendar year in which the author of the work dies.
Restricted acts: It is an offence to copy the work without the consent of the owner.
Acts that are allowed -“Fair dealing”: A statutory definition for fair dealing does not exist. Generally, anyone wishing to copy an owner’s works for research or private study must do so themselves. However, other people can make a single copy on their behalf. Acceptable boundary for study: one article from an individual issue of a journal (even if the article is the entire journal issue)."

The likelihood that the successors to Messrs Myfords Ltd of Beeston would pursue a court case for holding a copy of an old, out-of-date manual is remote especially as it would seem to fit in the "Fair dealing" category of private study.

[egaParticipant @ega]

John Haine:

You have reminded mo of one of my pet hates, namely, manuals which cover a range of machines.

[Neil LickfoldParticipant @neillickfold44316]

It is the PDF of the Manual that came with my Myford S7. So I'm happy that I now have both.

[Cyril BonnettParticipant @cyrilbonnett24790]

**LINK**

What is obvious is that over the last ten years loads of 'old' books have disappear off the web, many to pop up on google books for sale. If you are a large company like google you can hoover up old books quite fast.

The US Supreme Court has ruled in favour of Google in its 11-year legal battle with an authors group.

The Court said it would not hear an appeal from the Authors Guild, which claimed Google breached copyright laws by scanning books without permission.

The technology giant began the process in 2004, so it could include extracts in a searchable database, and it was sued by the Authors Guild in 2005.

Google says everything has a value and boy do they now make you pay for it.

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by Fowlers Fury on 07/03/2018 15:57:00:

A previous thread covered copyright, well maybe not "covered" but tried to address a specific query
**LINK**

"Ownership: The individual who authored the work will exclusively own the work under the 1988 Copyright Act. Only the owner, or his exclusive licensee can bring proceedings in the courts.
Duration: 70 years from the end of the calendar year in which the author of the work dies.
Restricted acts: It is an offence to copy the work without the consent of the owner.
Acts that are allowed -“Fair dealing”: A statutory definition for fair dealing does not exist. Generally, anyone wishing to copy an owner’s works for research or private study must do so themselves. However, other people can make a single copy on their behalf. Acceptable boundary for study: one article from an individual issue of a journal (even if the article is the entire journal issue)."

The likelihood that the successors to Messrs Myfords Ltd of Beeston would pursue a court case for holding a copy of an old, out-of-date manual is remote especially as it would seem to fit in the "Fair dealing" category of private study.

The linked manual is the original one which is apparently over 70 years old, as it is anonymous, ity is out of copyright.

'private study' doesn't cover passing copies to other people. It is generally interpreted a short extracts of a longer work or things like a single magazine article from an issue.

[Frank KuhlParticipant @frankkuhl74349]

On the early super 7 lathe does anybody know how the motor was held in the motor mounting bracket

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

The "fair dealing" proviso is a loophole big enough to drive a Mack truck through. There is no formal legal definition of "fair dealing". This is being exploited by all sorts of online publishers to pick up the work of others and publish it. Most notorious perhaps is the Daily Mail website that picks up stories from other news sources, including its main competitors, and publishes them holus-bolus within hours or even minutes of the original appearing. Because legal action has to be on a specific per-story basis, they rely on the fact that it's not worth the original copyright owner's expenses to fight a court battle over one small story, or publication.

Another example, CD copies of MEW from issue one through to about 160 regularly appear on eBay for sale, and have done for years. Not worth the expense of thousands of pounds for MTM to hire lawyers and barristers and track the sellers down and take them to court. Lost revenue as a result of the pirate copies would be about one thousandth of the legal bill, or less.

So chances of Myford even caring about copies of their manuals available for download on the net = 0.

Thanks for posting the link to the S7 manual. I'm sure it will help many members use their old Myford lathe more, resulting in the sale of more spare parts for Myford Ltd.

Edited By Hopper on 05/11/2018 23:44:43

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