Jones and Shipman 540 Dripping

[Bob AstillParticipant @bobastill76884]

I have finally got the 540 up and running but after running for about 30 mins it has started dripping oil from the bottom of the cross feed handle. after googling I am led to believe that there is an imperial oil seal behind the. handle. my questions are does anyone know the exact size so I can get one before I strip it and is it just a matter of taking the nut with the 2 pin spanner holes in off and pulling off the hand wheel to reveal the seal? I can not find spare part drawing showing a seal?

Bob

[Bob AstillParticipant @bobastill76884]

oil leak

[Chris Evans 6Participant @chrisevans6]

I used 540 and 1400 J&S machines for 50 years, they all leaked a bit even when new.

[David George 1Participant @davidgeorge1]

Hi Bob the oil is supposed to drain back to the tank by a hose and passage ways. The system loses quite a lot of oil to drainage and you should clean all the ways and pipes as they get clogged with dust and grease like deposits especialy from the catch trays in the casting on either side inside and the steel pipes from them to the tank. If you disconnect the cylinder on the table traverse you will find that with help, three people, you can lift off the bed, carefully to not bend the rod, and you can get to other oil drains from the cylinder as well. Find something to put heavy bed on befor lifting. You can run the hydraulics with table of and see where oil is running to but operating traverse by hand. If you need any help just ask.

David

[Martin King 2Participant @martinking2]

Jones and Shipman 540 Dripping

and there was me getting the toast and salt and pepper ready! my favourite as a kid!

Anyone else got some non PC foods from the past?

Martin

[Nick Clarke 3Participant @nickclarke3]

Posted by Martin King 2 on 07/03/2019 19:07:48:

Jones and Shipman 540 Dripping

and there was me getting the toast and salt and pepper ready! my favourite as a kid!

Anyone else got some non PC foods from the past?

Martin

Most of them! There is a tub of dripping in the fridge as I speak.

In a similar vein, some advice to anyone visiting the Black Country Living Museum – there are two chip shops – one fries in oil, the other in dripping and is therefore far superior!!

[Alan Waddington 2Participant @alanwaddington2]

Managed to lift the bed off and back on without help, so although probably not advisable, it is possible.

Well worth the effort, as a couple of the oilways were blocked solid.

Also drained and cleaned out the oil tank, seriously sh*tty job.

[ronan walshParticipant @ronanwalsh98054]

Posted by Martin King 2 on 07/03/2019 19:07:48:

Jones and Shipman 540 Dripping

and there was me getting the toast and salt and pepper ready! my favourite as a kid!

Anyone else got some non PC foods from the past?

Martin

Black puddin' and tripe ? These soft modern types don't know the joy of a good fry-up with plenty of black and white puddin' and a load of fried bread. You might live longer by not eating food like that, but i cannot think why you would want to

[Ian S CParticipant @iansc]

The drip is a safety feature on old English machinery, when it stops you have run out of oil, and you better get it back in.

Ian S C

[Nick Clarke 3Participant @nickclarke3]

Posted by Ian S C on 08/03/2019 10:59:46:

The drip is a safety feature on old English machinery, when it stops you have run out of oil, and you better get it back in.

Ian S C

I once tried to put oil that had dripped onto the floor back in but I couldn't pick it up

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

One means of clearing a way through a blocked pipe, with bends, is to try to push a length of curtain rod through it.

If the blockage is really solid,, by rotating the curtain rod, you can sometimes "driil" through Once there is a hole through, repeated "jiggling" will sometimes clear away much of the remaining clag. At least oil, or some other solvent will help to soften, maybe even dislodge, the rubbish. Once the pipe is clear, the debris needs to be removed from the machine, so that it cannot recirculate, and cause problems in the future.

Howard

[Rik ShawParticipant @rikshaw]

Bob this should help.

Rik

**LINK**

[Bob AstillParticipant @bobastill76884]

sorry for late reply to you all been so busy with work but i am very grateful for all the comments looks like a day taking the bed off and doing a big clean glad i did not clean out the tank yet as i had planned.

[Bob AstillParticipant @bobastill76884]

Posted by David George 1 on 07/03/2019 18:39:58:

Hi Bob the oil is supposed to drain back to the tank by a hose and passage ways. The system loses quite a lot of oil to drainage and you should clean all the ways and pipes as they get clogged with dust and grease like deposits especialy from the catch trays in the casting on either side inside and the steel pipes from them to the tank. If you disconnect the cylinder on the table traverse you will find that with help, three people, you can lift off the bed, carefully to not bend the rod, and you can get to other oil drains from the cylinder as well. Find something to put heavy bed on befor lifting. You can run the hydraulics with table of and see where oil is running to but operating traverse by hand. If you need any help just ask.

David

what do you mean by disconnect the cylinder? David

[roy entwistleParticipant @royentwistle24699]

To Ronan Walsh

Black pudding should be simmered, never fried. Chips should be fried in dripping or lard

Roy

Edited By roy entwistle on 13/03/2019 10:09:42

[Ian S CParticipant @iansc]

So you can put the oil back in you need a drip tray, or it will soak into the floor, well at least you can then get rid of it. Just look at the oil leaks from the average Japanese car.

Ian S C

[Mark RandParticipant @markrand96270]

Posted by Bob Astill on 13/03/2019 10:05:13:

what do you mean by disconnect the cylinder? David

he probably meant 'remove the blocks that the piston rods attach to the table with at each end'. Once they're unbolted from the table, the table is just sitting there under its own weight.

[David George 1Participant @davidgeorge1]

Hi Bob yes I meant to unscrew the blocks that fasten the cylinder rods to the bed ends. You may have to take the cover of the front of the table adjustment bits as well to get the table off. Be carful not to bend the rods. if you remove the front plate on the base as well as the tank cover you will see three hoses one is pressure from pump one is return to tank and one is drain to tank. the drain to tank should go into a small tray with a gauze to collect debris, also sometimes have some catch trays on side walls of column casting and steel drain tubes to tank. if you can remove the plate on top of the front of the table you can poke and blow out other ways that the oil drains from the control block back to tank. A nice clean job! done it quite a few times.

David

[Bob AstillParticipant @bobastill76884]

Thats great thank you to you all will get it done hopefully later this week

Bob

[David George 1Participant @davidgeorge1]

How is it going Bob did you stop the leak.

David

[HOWARDTParticipant @howardt]

Use to heat black pudding in boiling water, now I cover in film and microwave, as said never fry it goes hard. Dripping on white bread no salt, pork is favourite. Lard on toast, maybe a little salt. Treats of bygone era, kids don’t know what they are missing.

[Bob AstillParticipant @bobastill76884]

Posted by David George 1 on 19/03/2019 20:34:57:

How is it going Bob did you stop the leak.

David

Hi David not had time i am working 6 days a week at moment and she who must be obeyed claims the 7th

[mark costello 1Participant @markcostello1]

I did not know Triumph and Norton made lathes also. They must factor oil leaks in.

[Mike JayParticipant @mikejay85687]

Hi

would anyone like to share the 540 manual with me. Would be much appreciated.

thx

[David George 1Participant @davidgeorge1]

Hi Mike I have sent you a message check the top of the page inbox if you have logged in.

David

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